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I have been debating moving to the UK for a while now, but I am really on the fence about it.

I just wanted to make sure that my reasoning was right for this:

1. American politics are a joke- and it seems like holding down a job in this country is hell, and mine is threatened really badly right now.
2. The people in the US suck, rude as hell and the attitudes drive me nuts
3. The UK is a far prettier place
4. The pound is worth more then the dollar, and since my business is back in the states I know I could stimulate the crap out of it by sending money back for it- and since it doesn't require me to be there- it would be a win win.
5. People I meet from the UK on average seem to be much smarter then the average American
6. The UK isn't horribly ravaged by cancerous immigrants right?

The only reasons that I was thinking against it is the stigma that I might face back home when I go to see the folks I knew when I did live in the states, and the fact that owning a business and property in the US might be hard if I am not a citizen there anymore.

What made you all want to make the move?

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I am seriously on the fence about this, I know that if I go through with it at 23 it would be a serious thing to do, move else where alone and start a new life.


But then again at times that seems like exactly what I would like.

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I am seriously on the fence about this, I know that if I go through with it at 23 it would be a serious thing to do, move else where alone and start a new life.


But then again at times that seems like exactly what I would like.
Unless it's part of a long-term plan or you have a British or other EU passport, it will be very difficult to get a visa to move to UK, just as it's for any Briton wanting to immigrate to US, and UK government is trying to reduce the number of migrants from outside EU, tightening the rules all the time. Unless you have lived or come on an extended visit to UK recently, your broad assumptions about life in UK don't stand up to scrutiny. UK has as many problems as US, though they may be a bit different. Whether you find living in UK better than in US depends as much on you as a person as your environment. Immigration is a big political issue in UK at the moment, economy is as bad and so is job prospect, and people as friendly or unfriendly as you find anywhere. Pound isn't worth more than dollar - it's the cost of living and your income that decide whether it's cheaper to live in one or the other, and many expats find UK considerably more expensive than US for day-to-day costs after taking into account salary levels. Many say it costs as much in pound as in dollar for the same item, making UK on average 1/3 more expensive.

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1. American politics are a joke- and it seems like holding down a job in this country is hell, and mine is threatened really badly right now.
2. The people in the US suck, rude as hell and the attitudes drive me nuts
3. The UK is a far prettier place
4. The pound is worth more then the dollar, and since my business is back in the states I know I could stimulate the crap out of it by sending money back for it- and since it doesn't require me to be there- it would be a win win.
5. People I meet from the UK on average seem to be much smarter then the average American
6. The UK isn't horribly ravaged by cancerous immigrants right?
1. Since you won't have nationality and won't be able to vote for a few years, you'll be able to ignore the politics wherever you wind up (UK or elsewhere). But generally you'll find that politics are pretty much a joke worldwide. Finding a job can be hell outside your native country - especially now.

2. People are people the world around. You'll find some nice ones, but plenty of rude PITA's, too.

3. Depends where you are in the UK (same as in the US).

4. The pound is worth more than the dollar, but your pay isn't the same in pounds as in dollars. Depends on what you do for a living, but some occupations are paid considerably less in the UK than what you would be expecting. Plus, if you're planning on sending money back to the US the exchange rate and bank transfer fees will take a bite out of what you are transferring.

5. People you meet in the US from the UK are those who are traveling and tend to be the more well to do. The folks from the US you meet over on this side of the pond tend to be the better-educated and better off folks, too. The UK has plenty of poorly educated poor people, too.

6. Start following the British news. Immigration is a huge to-do in the UK, with the new government trying to cap it and running into many of the same problems the US has with "too many" poor immigrants from "undesirable" countries.

Start researching what it will take to get a visa to live in the UK. It's not easy. Living in the UK won't particularly interfere with your ability to own a business or other property back in the US. You'll always owe US taxes (or at least a US tax return) no matter where in the world you live.
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I just wanted to make sure that my reasoning was right for this:

1. American politics are a joke- and it seems like holding down a job in this country is hell, and mine is threatened really badly right now.
2. The people in the US suck, rude as hell and the attitudes drive me nuts
3. The UK is a far prettier place
4. The pound is worth more then the dollar, and since my business is back in the states I know I could stimulate the crap out of it by sending money back for it- and since it doesn't require me to be there- it would be a win win.
5. People I meet from the UK on average seem to be much smarter then the average American
6. The UK isn't horribly ravaged by cancerous immigrants right?
1. Well as I will agree with this, I will also agree with Bev when politics are a joke everywhere. Politicians are the same everywhere, no matter what your location is. The job market is tough everywhere, it's not just in the U.S even Canada is having issues (as I have friends up there)

2. I wouldn't say people suck in the U.S, once again Bev is right in saying people are people everywhere. I'm sure you've heard the expression the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. Where as from my personal experience us Americans tend to be more open about our feelings and opinions and sadly a lot of them (not all thank goodness) feel they are entitled to something simply because they are American.
I noticed when I went to the UK they are a bit more reserved about their emotions in general and their driving politeness was surprisingly... polite.... they would wave to you in the UK where as here in Colorado they wave, but wave with their middle finger.

3. The UK IS beautiful, so is America though, every country has their 'beauty spots'

4. The dollar/pound/any other form of currency goes up and down, I wouldn't base a move on that myself.

5. I would say the UK has better school systems then over here. Public school that is. I'm unsure if they have done this in the UK, but I know they have lowered the standards just so more people can pass here in the US. I know many teachers here and it's NOT an easy job to have. They are underpaid and there isn't enough funding to get things done.

6. The fact that you used the words "cancerous immigrants" I am unsure of how to really take that, as it could be taken many ways. So I'm going to leave that one alone.

In my personal thoughts, it would be unwise to make such a BIG move in ones life unless they were completely 100% sure of it, and more importantly not to go into a new situation thinking everything will be better once one moves.

I want to move to the UK (will be applying soon for spousal visa) because my husband lives there, and we want to raise our son there who is a month and half old. I am not fond of a lot of things here in the US, among them being the 'I'm better then you attitude' though in all honesty there aren't as many as one would think, most of us are just people trying to make it day by day. My only advice to anyone (no matter what the situation) is not to go into something with your head in the clouds cause you can't see your feet and see what might cause you to fall.

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I have been debating moving to the UK for a while now, but I am really on the fence about it.

I just wanted to make sure that my reasoning was right for this:

1. American politics are a joke- and it seems like holding down a job in this country is hell, and mine is threatened really badly right now.
2. The people in the US suck, rude as hell and the attitudes drive me nuts
3. The UK is a far prettier place
4. The pound is worth more then the dollar, and since my business is back in the states I know I could stimulate the crap out of it by sending money back for it- and since it doesn't require me to be there- it would be a win win.
5. People I meet from the UK on average seem to be much smarter then the average American
6. The UK isn't horribly ravaged by cancerous immigrants right?

The only reasons that I was thinking against it is the stigma that I might face back home when I go to see the folks I knew when I did live in the states, and the fact that owning a business and property in the US might be hard if I am not a citizen there anymore.

What made you all want to make the move?
1. If you are wealthy you will have no problems getting entry clearance to live in the UK. If not, the easiest way for a businessperson is as "sole representative" of a foreign firm. However you are not allowed to be a major stockholder in that firm. There are other provisions that would allow you to come as an investor or to move your business to Britain but they are stricter than the foregoing.

2. Many in the UK complain about "asylum seekers", the local term for "illegal immigrants". And (for them) it gets worse: under the European treaties the UK cannot keep out citizens of other EU/EEA/Swiss countries coming for economic reasons even if they would be ineligible but for their nationality. Thus: Eastern Europeans coming to work and willing to work for less money than British workers. Not to forget smuggled Chinese (and other) workers brought in as farm hands and cockle pickers. (Google "cockle pickers" for more info on that.)

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1. American politics are a joke- and it seems like holding down a job in this country is hell, and mine is threatened really badly right now.
- I agree that politics is a joke everywhere.

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2. The people in the US suck, rude as hell and the attitudes drive me nuts
- British people do tend to be quite friendly but I do agree that they often aren't as upfront about their emotions and can be insensitive. I know I'm British and lots of us are lovely but we are less emotional than some other places.

As well as this, I don't mean to be offensive but you may not get our humour. We have a thing called 'banter' which is often hard for other countries to grasp. Banter is basically being insulting but we find it funny and it could be offensive for you if you are unaware that it's not intentional, or even when you know someone is joking you still could be offended if you're not used to it. We use insults to show our closeness. Tbh our humour is a totally different ball game and you could well be insulted.

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3. The UK is a far prettier place
- The UK has got some very pretty parts, yes. Our countryside is beautiful.

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4. The pound is worth more then the dollar, and since my business is back in the states I know I could stimulate the crap out of it by sending money back for it- and since it doesn't require me to be there- it would be a win win.
- I do think this is a good idea. If you have a business at home why not send money over?

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5. People I meet from the UK on average seem to be much smarter then the average American
- This depends where you go because education varies in different places. Where abouts in the UK are your friends from?

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6. The UK isn't horribly ravaged by cancerous immigrants right?
- and the UK is full of immigrants.

Good luck with your choice btw, thought I'd answer straight. I recommend you come here for a visit first, then decide.

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I am a land lord.
I do own a few properties in California, I was debating just selling them outright shopping for them in the UK while I am still employed by the US gov.

I find that the quips and mild teasing don't bother me, it is usually the manner that it is presented. My friends are from Liverpool and Bath.

I think that the thing that makes me disillusioned with the United States is the fact that it seems to have no culture, no sense of itself, no sense of tradition, simply the hedonistic chasing of momentary pleasures and the culture defined by the media.

I feel like with England that there is something for me to believe in.

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I think that the thing that makes me disillusioned with the United States is the fact that it seems to have no culture, no sense of itself, no sense of tradition, simply the hedonistic chasing of momentary pleasures and the culture defined by the media.

I feel like with England that there is something for me to believe in.
Many people in England say that the country is becoming rapidly like US, losing sense of tradition, value or culture, and being replaced by a relentless pursuit of pleasure and profits. Family cohesion is on a decline, or a sense of community, many just content to looking after the number one, and to hell with other people. Of course not everyone is like that, but compared to ten or twenty years ago, the change is palpable and sees no sign of reversal.

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Another point you may want to consider.....
You won't get anything like California weather in England.....For the most part, it's grey rainy and depressing.....except for a few weeks of the year, when it's sunny and glorious!

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