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My wife and I have been "together" nearly 5 years, but only married for two. I am a US citizen and she is a UK citizen on a visa to work in the States. She became pregnant over the Summer and we are trying to get back to the UK before the baby is born.

I have a few questions, first, although we have only been married for for years, we've been together, living together for 5 years. Will we qualify for a marriage visa?

Also, I have a criminal record, a non-violent lower grade felony conviction from 8 years ago (i lied about paying some parking tickets to get my car out of the tow-pound and they nailed me for "submission of a forged document" an E class felony, the lowest felony). Will this affect my ability to get a visa?

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You can apply for a marriage (spouse) visa as soon as you are married. If you are married for less than 4 years, your marriage visa is only valid for 2 years (probationary period) and you have to apply in UK for indefinite leave to remain (ILR) a month before expiry, provided your marriage is still subsisting. If you can prove through documentary evidence you have been living in a relationship akin to marriage for 5 years (2 years in marriage and 3 years in unmarried partnership), then your visa will be for settlement (indefinite leave to enter). There are several threads here about other people's experience of applying for and getting a marriage visa, which has very detailed requirements and a long list of required documentary evidence.
As for your criminal conviction, you will have to declare it on your visa application, and it's up to the embassy to decide whether your record precludes you from obtaining a visa. I wouldn't have thought so from the details you've given, but they use their own discretion. All you can do is to apply and see what happens. The average wait time for settlement visa application is 50 business days or 10 weeks, and the fee is $995.

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You can apply for a marriage (spouse) visa as soon as you are married. If you are married for less than 4 years, your marriage visa is only valid for 2 years (probationary period) and you have to apply in UK for indefinite leave to remain (ILR) a month before expiry, provided your marriage is still subsisting. If you can prove through documentary evidence you have been living in a relationship akin to marriage for 5 years (2 years in marriage and 3 years in unmarried partnership), then your visa will be for settlement (indefinite leave to enter). There are several threads here about other people's experience of applying for and getting a marriage visa, which has very detailed requirements and a long list of required documentary evidence.
As for your criminal conviction, you will have to declare it on your visa application, and it's up to the embassy to decide whether your record precludes you from obtaining a visa. I wouldn't have thought so from the details you've given, but they use their own discretion. All you can do is to apply and see what happens. The average wait time for settlement visa application is 50 business days or 10 weeks, and the fee is $995.

Some of your information is incorrect. Spent convictions do not have to be listed on the visa application (google ROA act in the UK)

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Some of your information is incorrect. Spent convictions do not have to be listed on the visa application (google ROA act in the UK)
Spent convictions under ROA only apply to convictions imposed by UK courts.

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Spent convictions under ROA only apply to convictions imposed by UK courts.
Spent convictions do NOT have to be declared. Your site wont let me post the links, so below please find the text:

1. From the UK border Agency: When applying for visas:



RFL10.5 When is a conviction spent?
When considering whether or not the offence is spent, rehabilitation periods are based on actual sentences received. The purpose of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974 (“ROA”) is that people may behave badly at one point in their lives but may nevertheless go on to live law abiding lives. To encourage this process, after a certain period of good behaviour, and provided the offence wasn't too serious, the person is entitled to be treated as a reformed character. The Police Certificate should detail whether or not a conviction is spent. The rehabilitation periods are also set out in the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act. A person whose criminal convictions are spent is entitled to declare on the visa application form that he does not have a criminal record. If an applicant disputes the content of the Police Certificate, the applicant must contact the Association of Chief Police Officers Criminal Records Office (ACRO). Their contact details are noted at the bottom of the Police Certificate.



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What is an unspent conviction?

If you have been convicted of a criminal offence you must declare your unspent convictions but do not need to declare ones that are spent. A conviction becomes spent after a certain period of time has passed (we call this the rehabilitation period). The length of time it takes for a conviction to become spent will depend on your sentence. It starts from the date on which you are convicted. The period may be shorter if you were aged under 18 at the time of your conviction.
If you have been sentenced to more than 30 months in prison for a single offence, this can never become spent. Your application for citizenship is therefore unlikely to be successful.

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Spent convictions do NOT have to be declared.
You still need to judge whether your foreign conviction, had it been imposed in the UK, would have merited the designation of spent conviction after a period of time. If in doubt, the recommendation is to disclose it, and let ECO decide whether it can be disregarded.

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You still need to judge whether your foreign conviction, had it been imposed in the UK, would have merited the designation of spent conviction after a period of time. If in doubt, the recommendation is to disclose it, and let ECO decide whether it can be disregarded.
What you're not understanding is I have already gone through the process and have the visa. I didnt disclose because my immigration lawyer, after doing research, said I did not have to, and voila, I have my settlement visa!

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What you're not understanding is I have already gone through the process and have the visa. I didnt disclose because my immigration lawyer, after doing research, said I did not have to, and voila, I have my settlement visa!
It wouldn't have mattered if you did disclose, as only a conviction that carries up to a year's imprisonment in UK would be subject to visa rejection. But for the sake of others who are puzzled about what to do, the best way is to disclose and let the consulate staff (ECO) sort it out.

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It wouldn't have mattered if you did disclose, as only a conviction that carries up to a year's imprisonment in UK would be subject to visa rejection. But for the sake of others who are puzzled about what to do, the best way is to disclose and let the consulate staff (ECO) sort it out.

You dont HAVE to disclose though. Its useless to do so if your convictions are spent.

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You dont HAVE to disclose though. Its useless to do so if your convictions are spent.
Presumably you paid a lawyer to decide whether your conviction was spent or not. It would have been cheaper and less time-consuming just to disclose your criminal history (if you can even call it that) and let the consulate decide if it's relevant or not.
I have a great deal of professional experience here in UK dealing with criminal record check for employment and other activities, and our advice has always been, disclose if in doubt, and if it was spent, it wouldn't matter in any case. Now the consequences of NOT disclosing when you should would be much. much more serious.

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