America Australia Britain Canada Cyprus Dubai Egypt France Greece HK Italy Japan Mexico NZ Portugal Singapore Spain SA Thailand

Go Back   Expat Forum For Expats, For Moving Overseas And For Jobs Abroad > Expat Forums by Country > Britain Expat Forum for Expats Living in the UK

Britain Expat Forum for Expats Living in the UK Living in Britain ForumThe Britain Expats forum is a community of people that have moved to the UK from overseas. This is the place for Expats to meet and discuss anything about the British way of life. You will find this forum a welcoming place to discuss the Great attributes of your new home. Discuss anything from jobs, property, culture, food, history and more.

Register Free Today

buying a flat in London -- tax implications?

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 17th November 2008, 01:26 PM
Expat Newbie
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 3
Rep Power: 0
half_decent is on a distinguished road

Default buying a flat in London -- tax implications?

Apologies if this has been asked before. I did try searching, but my circumstances are a bit different to other cases I found.

I am a tri-national -- US, UK, and Canada. My wife for her part holds NZ and UK passports. No problem with visas and residency, then. My biggest headache is managing cross-border tax liabilities. Neither of us work, but we have considerable assets in various countries, mostly bonds, which generate the income we live on. I am currently a UK non-resident non-domicile and would like to keep it that way, even though I spend a few months of every year here. My wife is both ordinarily-resident and domiciled in the UK (I use these terms in their technical sense). As you may know, one of the factors all governments look at closely when determining tax-residency is whether or not you own property.

Well, to the point: given that the London property market is in free-fall, unemployment rising sharply, and the pound below 1.50, I am thinking of transferring some dollars from the US and buying a flat. I don't need a mortgage, I can pay cash -- I'm thinking of something in the region of GBP 600k. Because of the above considerations, I would like to put the property in my wife's name.

My question is what would be the tax implication of doing this, both for me and my wife? My experience has been that large quantities of cash flowing across borders always attracts the attention of Tax and Home-Office types...

Your advice would of course be appreciated.

Register for free today to remove these ads and have full access to all the information on Expat Forum

Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 17th November 2008, 05:45 PM
Moderator
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: deepest, darkest Essonne
Posts: 4,632
Rep Power: 489
Bevdeforges has a spectacular aura aboutBevdeforges has a spectacular aura aboutBevdeforges has a spectacular aura about

Originally from usa. Expat in france.
Default

OK, being a US citizen, you must report everything to the IRS, regardless of whatever other tax obligations you have for your other nationalities. All transfers over a certain amount (used to be $10,000, but I think that limit has been lowered since 9/11) have to be reported to the Treasury Dept. - but if you make a bank transfer, the bank is the one responsible for reporting it. (They may ask you to tell them the purpose of the transfer - but buying property in the UK is a perfectly legit response and should not cause you any problems.) Also, be sure you're filing your Treasury forms, declaring overseas bank accounts to the US Treasury Dept.

Depending on the source of your US cash, you may have to pay capital gains on any gains realized if you are selling investments to make the transfer.

Does your wife share your tri-nationalities status? If not, and she doesn't have US nationality, you should be filing as married, filing separately (and there can be real disadvantages to that). Depending on your financial arrangements, if you put the UK property in your wife's name, you may generate the need to file a gift tax return, though I'd run that by a US tax adviser. (Depends a bit on just how complicated your financial affairs are.)

Merely owning property in the UK shouldn't jeopardize your non-resident, non-domicile status unless you start spending 183 days or more there in a tax year or do something else that indicates that this is your "primary" residence (like have all your bills sent to that address, even those from overseas). If your wife is living in the property and you return there to "visit" her, even less than 183 days a year, you could be asking for reclassification, though. (It's not so much the fact of owning property as where your "family" lives and where you regularly return to.)

It would probably be worth consulting a UK tax adviser, too, while you're at it.
Cheers,
Bev
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 17th November 2008, 07:46 PM
kaz101's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Limestone Coast, South Australia
Posts: 4,562
Rep Power: 481
kaz101 has a spectacular aura aboutkaz101 has a spectacular aura about

Originally from england. Expat in australia.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by half_decent View Post
As you may know, one of the factors all governments look at closely when determining tax-residency is whether or not you own property.
Yes but you can still own property and be non-resident and non-domicile. We moved from the UK in July 2007 and still have several properties there.

If the property is in your name and you are renting it out then you would apply for the non-resident landlords scheme (HM Revenue & Customs: The Non-resident Landlords Scheme).
However if it's all in your wife's name then that shouldn't apply since she's a resident.

Regards,
Karen
__________________
Fed up with money slipping through your fingers? Visit Money-Magnets.net to discover how you can create wealth in any economy and in any country!
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 18th November 2008, 06:37 PM
Expat Newbie
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 3
Rep Power: 0
half_decent is on a distinguished road

Default

Many thanks to both of you for your kind replies.

Best,
HD
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links

Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Now I'm here I need a flat cadas Dubai Expat Forum for Expats Living in Dubai 0 12th November 2008 04:46 AM
Looking for a flat in Heliopolis shamz Egypt Expat Forum for Expats Living in Egypt 2 15th October 2008 09:24 AM
Tax implications for Spanish resident working in France pastis France Expat Forum for Expats Living in France 2 21st August 2008 07:41 AM
Flat screen TV Peter & Fiona Spain Expat Forum for Expats Living in Spain 7 19th May 2008 11:58 PM
ex-pat flat 25% tax rate - other implications? libove Spain Expat Forum for Expats Living in Spain 4 24th February 2008 12:54 PM

LEGAL NOTICE
By using this Website, you agree to abide by our Terms and Conditions (the "Terms"). This notice does not replace our Terms, which you must read in full as they contain important information. You must not post any defamatory, unlawful or undesirable content, or any content copied from a third party, on the Website. You must not copy material from the Website except in accordance with the Terms. This Website gives users an opportunity to share information only and is not intended to contain any advice which you should rely upon. It does not replace the need to take professional or other advice. We have no liability to you or any other person in respect of any content on this Website.
FORUM PARTNERS

ExpatForum.com is owned and operated by the MoveForward.com Limited group. You can find out more about us here.

Retiring Overseas Guides | Moving Overseas Guides | Expat Country Guides | Expat Property Guides | Cost of Living | Health Care Guides | Property News | New York Forum | Visas and Permits


Latest Active Threads

All times are GMT. The time now is 09:51 PM.

Premium Sponsors


Click Here
to become a
sponsor of the
Expat Forum


Please take a moment to visit some of the Expat Forum sponsors shown above.

Britain Forum
Unanswered Posts
Expat Lounge
Property in the UK
Orange International Calls
T-Mobile International Calls
Currency Exchange

Living in America Forum America Forum
Living in Australia Forum Australia Forum
Living in Britain Forum Britain Forum
Living in Canada Forum Canada Forum
Living in Cyprus Forum Cyprus Forum
Living in Dubai Forum Dubai Forum
Living in Egypt Forum Egypt Forum
Living in France Forum France Forum
Living in Greece Forum Greece Forum
Living in Hong Kong Forum Hong Kong Forum
Living in Italy Forum Italy Forum
Living in Japan Forum Japan Forum
Living in Mexico Forum Mexico Forum
Living in New Zealand Forum New Zealand Forum
Living in Portugal Forum Portugal Forum
Living in Singapore Forum Singapore Forum
Living in Spain Forum Spain Forum
Living in South Africa Forum South Africa Forum
Living in Thailand Forum Thailand Forum

Upgrade to a premium account
Upgrade to a Premium Account to start listing your products or services in our Expat Forum Marketplace.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2