I am in dilema ... please help !!!

[abrarpir]

Hi friends .... its really useful reading the forum and helps alot ... I am from Pakistan and just done with police and medics reports for my GSM Visa 175 .... the thing is that I am getting married in coming November and I want visa for my wife too .... someone recommended me that I write an e-mail to my case officer and add her as partner to my application so that her visa arrives with me (idea seems good) but I fear if I add her to my application at this stage it will further delay my application (already took 1 year) .... other option is that I apply for her visa once my visa arrives , but I dont know how much of time that will take .... please help

[_shel]

You'd be best adding her to your visa now. It wouldnt add that much longer because they wont be assessing her skills, employment history etc. The problem with applying for a spouse visa after you have your visa is that it can take just as long and she wont be able to go to Australia with you until it is done. She would then need a medical as your dependent for your PR then again for her won PR. Spouse visa are also expensive so a lot more costs to do it this way.

Besides, whatever route you take you have to inform your CO as it is a change in circumstances. Failure to report changes is very serious and could result in your visa being denied or revoked.

[rackspace]

yes, add her now if you can.

Actually you won't be able to add your wife to be because us Pakistanis have no concept of 'girlfriend' or 'defacto partner'. As someone said on another thread, if you want to add an unmarried person as a partner, you need to show proof of 'cohabitation' - joint accounts, joint invitations, love letters, pictures together, other proof of living together. And as you would well understand, if you go to your wife's father asking for such things, you will come back minus any prospect of marriage, and probably with a few bones missing as well

You would unfortunately have to go for the spouse visa EXCEPT if you are going to marry atonce. Then you should ask you CO to delay the grant until you can get married. BUT the CO COULD send your wife's case for background checks as well. Which could SIGNIFICANTLY delay your visa.

[_shel]

Originally Posted by leptokurtic

Actually you won't be able to add your wife to be because us Pakistanis have no concept of 'girlfriend' or 'defacto partner'. As someone said on another thread, if you want to add an unmarried person as a partner, you need to show proof of 'cohabitation' - joint accounts, joint invitations, love letters, pictures together, other proof of living together. And as you would well understand, if you go to your wife's father asking for such things, you will come back minus any prospect of marriage, and probably with a few bones missing as well

You would unfortunately have to go for the spouse visa EXCEPT if you are going to marry atonce. Then you should ask you CO to delay the grant until you can get married. BUT the CO COULD send your wife's case for background checks as well. Which could SIGNIFICANTLY delay your visa.

You really are taking crap! If he is marrying her he does these things as soon as he is married. No further proof of living together will be needed then especially from someone whose culture forbids that before marriage.

He does need to tell his CO now of his intent to marry if it is planned and definitely going ahead as it is a change in circumstances. Again, they wont expect anything other than her name until they are actually married due to culture reasons.

What reasons or evidence do you have to scare people into believing their visa will be significantly delayed? Instead you want to place people at risk of having their visa denied or revoked for what could be seen as visa fraud?

Originally Posted by _shel

You really are taking crap! If he is marrying her he does these things as soon as he is married. No further proof of living together will be needed then especially from someone whose culture forbids that before marriage.

He does need to tell his CO now of his intent to marry if it is planned and definitely going ahead as it is a change in circumstances. Again, they wont expect anything other than her name until they are actually married due to culture reasons.

What reasons or evidence do you have to scare people into believing their visa will be significantly delayed? Instead you want to place people at risk of having their visa denied or revoked for what could be seen as visa fraud?

Thank your very much for your very kind words.

I think you are not appreciating the fact that he is going to marry in November whereas he has sent the medicals + PCC right now and should get a grant soon.

Tell me, where in the world would they grant a visa to someone just because a visa applicant has the intent of marrying that person? Read around on the forum and you will see people are facing problems with proving an actual, current marriage because the CO isn't satisfied with the marriage certificate, purportedly because it is a proof of being married THEN but not NOW. And you think he can get his would be wife a visa just on the intention of marriage? Well, you did say something about talking... but oh well I don't like using that kind of language.

I have never said he shouldn't fill in a change of circumstances form. But I don't think he can get her a visa just on the intention of marrying her.

[_shel]

Actually I've been reading around the forums for a good few years and it is quite possible to get an intended bride a visa without having lived together if you are from a culture where living together before marriage is forbidden.

Perhaps if you read around a little more yourself or spoke with a Registered Migration Agent (not one of the charlatans you find across Asia) you would know that.

Originally Posted by _shel

Actually I've been reading around the forums for a good few years and it is quite possible to get an intended bride a visa without having lived together if you are from a culture where living together before marriage is forbidden.

Perhaps if you read around a little more yourself or spoke with a Registered Migration Agent (not one of the charlatans you find across Asia) you would know that.

Thanks a lot for adding to my knowledge. If you could point out a thread to me that would be nice, but I am really interested in the mechanics of this. What would be involved? He raises a change of request form for the intention to marry and then what kind of documentation would the CO ask for? Since I myself have recently got a CO, this knowledge could help me in the future as well.

Also, you do realize that the future wife is also a Pakistani and I have never heard of anyone from Pakistan being given a visa WITHOUT background/external/internal checks, and the best I have heard about these is 9 months. Us Pakistanis get a thoroughly different level of service than what you might be used to. It is because of these checks that I am not very confident he will get the visa soon.

Very sorry to say that the closest thing I am able to find is a 'Prospective Marriage Visa' which seems to require these: Prospective Marriage Visa (Subclass 300) kind of evidences. And this: Prospective Marriage Visa (Subclass 300) says you need to provide these evidences even if:

•it is an arranged marriage
•you and your sponsor met as children and the marriage was arranged before you turned 18 years of age
•you met on the internet (exchanging photographs is not evidence of having met in person).

One of the lines in the evidences page reads:

•your domestic arrangements (how you support each other financially, physically and emotionally and when this level of commitment began)

I am finding it highly dubitable that anyone could add a prospective bride to their 175 visa just on the intention of marrying without these kind of evidences of 'cohabitation' being provided...

[_shel]

Prospective marriage visa is something very different & I'm not talking about a separate visa application.

Even in Pakistan and for arranged marriages there is some form of relationship between the two people that can be talked about and documented. Such as how you met (through parents, mosque or other relatives etc) When you meet, even if under supervision of relatives, plans for the wedding & the future etc etc

I have spoken with someone on another forum only days ago from Saudi who had a visa granted without living together as it is strictly forbidden. They mostly used statutory declarations as evidence of their relationship. They used an agent who knew the ins & outs of the law and were successful.

DIAC understand the intricacies of other cultures and laws and do not expect you to criminalise or ostracise yourself in order to qualify for a visa!

I have also seen people who thought it was a good idea to wait and apply for the spouse visa later. Which meant the new bride having to stay in India while the husband went to Australia. Her visa took over a year to process during which time she did not see her husband at all!

Hence why the there is a need to use a registered migration agent who has specialised knowledge of the law where there are complicated cases!