Got a job in Melbourne, Please help me decide if the switch to Oz is worth it

[mpgrewal]

Originally Posted by amaslam

Hi Shankar:

If you look a the job ads you need to basically tailor your CV to show how you fit those requirements. So if it's for a manager position you want to emphasise all the manager roles you did (i.e. team lead, backed up manager, etc.) and if it's for DB Support you'd then emphasise those skills instead. You don't just use (1) CV, but instead you tailor it to each ad. That way you will get the most response.

QA is not a big field in AU as most of those jobs have been off-shored to India, but programming, high level support, legacy systems (i.e. COBOL, CICS), data warehousing, these are all fields that need people in AU.

Correct. Shankar -
Firstly you need to 'Australianise' your resume. Search on net for that. Then as Ama said you need to tune it according to the job. For every job you should have a different resume, that's what many people do... Remember you are competeing with hundreds of equally-capable more-preferred natives for a single rarely-seen potentially-fake job ad.

It is nearly impossible to even get a interview call if you are sitting in India and trying for Australian job. Bitter but truth.

[Shankar]

Thanks for the replies guys.

Yeah.....it's true that it's difficult (rarely possible) to get a job in Oz sitting in India. But I am just throwing stones in the darkness by applying jobs in job portals, as I have 8 more months of time to make my first entry. And meanwhile I would like to upgrade my skills to match Australian market demands and by the time I fly I carry multiple skills with me.

Thanks,
-Shankar

[sanjeev555]

Hi Amaslam and others: I had a particular 'noob' question and would appreciate your response on this.

On the 457 visa Validity period, on the Immi gov. website(http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/skill...sa-works.htm#c), it says:
What does this visa let me do?

With this visa you can employ overseas workers for a period of between one day and four years.

With this visa those people you employ from overseas can:

* work in Australia for a period of between one day and four (4) years

But in the 'How this visa works' section for the same visa, it says:
Validity periods

The validity period of the:

* sponsorship is three years
* nomination is 12 months
* visa is between one day and four years.

So my questions is 1) What is the difference between sponsorship of 1-3 years and visa validity of 1-4 years? Why cant the sponsorship be 1-4 years similar to the length of the visa validity?
2) What does 'nomination' for 12 months really mean? I don't understand that sentence.

[amaslam]

Hi Sanjeev:

It's a bit of specific language but it makes sense if you look at the new part of 457 which didn't exist before.

Validity periods

The validity period of the:

* sponsorship is three years
* nomination is 12 months
* visa is between one day and four years.

Applying for a new visa or changing employer

If you have an employee who wants to apply for a new visa (where their current visa is about to expire), the employee must lodge a new visa application.

From 14 September 2009, 457 visa holders who wish to change employer or position (within the validity of their current visa) will not be required to apply for a new Subclass 457 visa.

1. A nomination means 'I want to sponsor this person', so the nomination must be valid for 12 months at least.
2. Sponsorship means "I will fulfill all the obligations of sponsorship for 3 yrs"
3. Visa is between 1 day and four years. Before 14 Sep 2009 you needed to get a new 457 if you changed employers, now you don't. So that means if your visa is valid for 4 yrs you could change employers within that period.

***
Hope it's a bit clearer, but in practicality you'll be with one employer for at least 1 year (and usually longer), just that the employer now has to pay more attention to the obligations of a 457.

Originally Posted by sanjeev555

Hi Amaslam and others: I had a particular 'noob' question and would appreciate your response on this.

On the 457 visa Validity period, on the Immi gov. website(Temporary Business (Long Stay) - Standard Business Sponsorship (Subclass 457)), it says:
What does this visa let me do?

With this visa you can employ overseas workers for a period of between one day and four years.

With this visa those people you employ from overseas can:

* work in Australia for a period of between one day and four (4) years

But in the 'How this visa works' section for the same visa, it says:
Validity periods

The validity period of the:

* sponsorship is three years
* nomination is 12 months
* visa is between one day and four years.

So my questions is 1) What is the difference between sponsorship of 1-3 years and visa validity of 1-4 years? Why cant the sponsorship be 1-4 years similar to the length of the visa validity?
2) What does 'nomination' for 12 months really mean? I don't understand that sentence.

[LoveOz]

Originally Posted by amaslam

QA is not a big field in AU as most of those jobs have been off-shored to India, but programming, high level support, legacy systems (i.e. COBOL, CICS), data warehousing, these are all fields that need people in AU.

COBOL, DB2, JCL, CICS, VSAM, TSO - I have spent all my life doing this stuff. I am glad they are in demand.

Do you know any companies specifically looking for these skills ?

[amaslam]

Look at the traditional users: Banks, Insurance, Government (as a PR you could probably find State Goverment work, but most Federal work requires Citizenship).

Look at the Mainframe jobs, might be easier to get into an org that way since not that many people exposed to those technologies anymore.

Originally Posted by LoveOz

COBOL, DB2, JCL, CICS, VSAM, TSO - I have spent all my life doing this stuff. I am glad they are in demand.

Do you know any companies specifically looking for these skills ?

[sanjeev555]

Originally Posted by amaslam

Hi Sanjeev:

It's a bit of specific language but it makes sense if you look at the new part of 457 which didn't exist before.

Validity periods

The validity period of the:

* sponsorship is three years
* nomination is 12 months
* visa is between one day and four years.

Applying for a new visa or changing employer

If you have an employee who wants to apply for a new visa (where their current visa is about to expire), the employee must lodge a new visa application.

From 14 September 2009, 457 visa holders who wish to change employer or position (within the validity of their current visa) will not be required to apply for a new Subclass 457 visa.

1. A nomination means 'I want to sponsor this person', so the nomination must be valid for 12 months at least.
2. Sponsorship means "I will fulfill all the obligations of sponsorship for 3 yrs"
3. Visa is between 1 day and four years. Before 14 Sep 2009 you needed to get a new 457 if you changed employers, now you don't. So that means if your visa is valid for 4 yrs you could change employers within that period.

***
Hope it's a bit clearer, but in practicality you'll be with one employer for at least 1 year (and usually longer), just that the employer now has to pay more attention to the obligations of a 457.

Thanks Amaslam. So when you said in the Nomination sentence - The employer will sponsor me for 12 months atleast, does that impose any restrictions on me to change employers within 12 month nomination period?

In Sponsorship - When you meant "I will fulfill all the obligations of sponsorship for 3 years", does that mean the Employer or the Employee? What happens in the 4th year of the visa? Are there no obligations to fulfill then? I'm confused there.

I guess the most likely scenario would be, me applying for a PR after 2 years of working on a 457 visa, since it is the highest priority in processing times like you mentioned earlier. So hopefully I won't have to worry about the differences between a 3 year sponsorship and 4 year visa

[amaslam]

Hi Sanjeev:

1. It does not impose a restriction, but many employers will expect re-imbursement of the fees they paid to get you to AU (i.e. application fees, agent fees) if you leave before 12 months.
2. The obligations are more on the employer

Apply for PR after two years and then this whole discussion becomes moot.

Originally Posted by sanjeev555

Thanks Amaslam. So when you said in the Nomination sentence - The employer will sponsor me for 12 months atleast, does that impose any restrictions on me to change employers within 12 month nomination period?

In Sponsorship - When you meant "I will fulfill all the obligations of sponsorship for 3 years", does that mean the Employer or the Employee? What happens in the 4th year of the visa? Are there no obligations to fulfill then? I'm confused there.

I guess the most likely scenario would be, me applying for a PR after 2 years of working on a 457 visa, since it is the highest priority in processing times like you mentioned earlier. So hopefully I won't have to worry about the differences between a 3 year sponsorship and 4 year visa