Guy Behind the 8 Ball, Advice Please

[TumblingDice]

No word back from Peter C yet.

He's either insanely busy (possible) or really just doesn't want a case with my odds. Or maybe there's something else...

His web page makes it pretty clear that he's looking for people on the top of their game, not someone who's last several jobs were off shored. Besides, talking about the downsides and the costs to families like mine who have lost everything due to the corporate off shoring agenda is not so popular in these crowds. Go figure...
(haha- duh)

People might make assumptions, the might feel that describing my personal loss is somehow a threat or an attack on them, they might feel the need to attack back, or they might just ignore your application. Probably best next time just not to mention the factors that led to my job loss, home loss, life loss...

After all, record numbers of people are very much enjoying the current state of politics in North America. As most 'western' countries in the past couple of years cut back substantially on foreign visa allocations, to prioritize employing their own people during these hard economic times, most people enjoying a foreign work experience today, have a sweet safety net back home. Should they lose their job abroad, they could always go back home and have their job legally protected from foreign competition. Nice! And of course, who could argue with that logic?

And why should my country put my interests first anyway? Why should my country act like literally every other and protect its own people first. I mean hey- I only paid the taxes for 30 years to build this place. But whatever, its a new global country and belongs to everyone now. Clearly I need to lose those old school capitalist beliefs about having a stake in what I've worked and paid for. I just need to find a way to be happy about all of this.

The world is changing (well OK, not the world really as again they are all protecting their own labor pools this year) but my country is changing. And its good for corporate profits so that's good for everyone. Ugh.

At the very least, I need to not talk about all the costs, the destroyed lives, in the 'wrong' crowds. Esp with so many people who are actually quite thrilled with the state of our country's laws, and for whom it is actually working out quite nicely at the moment.

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So to start over on a new positive bent, without thinking about my recently devastated life, on a new and positive outlook I think I need a new consultant.
One who doesn't need to know the details of my loss. I'll tell him I love globalization and I'm looking forward to experiencing its positive aspects. I'll focus on the cultural aspects and ignore the personal financial aspects, as the latter of which would naturally make any rational person hearing my story most certainly feel that I must be filled with hate. Probably any other person on the planet who had gone through what I have, would be a complete hater by now. No question. It would only be human.

And yes, if I am completely honest, it is work not to become a hater in my position. Even with my background, the nationalities of my best friends, and the places on the planet where I have had my best life experiences- regardless, its still a very real effort to rise above this.

But I have to. I have no choice.
I cannot even think about the past couple of years can I?

I have to focus on the positive opportunities that globalization has provided for me to start a new life.
But wait.
Every country outside of North America is dramatically cutting back on visas this year.
But I thought this global thing was supposed to be a two way road, open to everyone?
Note to self: Stay Positive, Stay Positive, Stay Positive...

I no longer need help with visa details.
I need to figure out how to look at this whole thing in a positive light, when our team is playing football uphill...
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If you respond to this, please refrain from attacks no matter how tempting.
Try to see the reality of the experiences I've been handed here, even if they are not true for your life. Step back, take a breath, and think about how you would feel. Then think of a response that you think might be of some positive use. I need positive energies right now. And believe me- it ain't easy.

[tilla_07]

You know I would have had more sympathy for you if you had actually sounded sincere and had not used this board to bash foreigners every chance you have gotten (wait, its not all foreigners, but Indians, you are bashing).

One you talk about how the western countries have pulled back giving visas to foreigners (which is a bad thing for the foreigners, if you cannot tell) and then you turn around and say that oh, they have a safety net so they are actually luckier. Guess what? Your country is protecting your job by not giving them to the foreigners anymore. So, those foreigners who are the first in line to lose their hard earned jobs since they are on a visa and are not natives will have to leave and there is not a damn thing they can do about it. They will not get to sit in their homes all day long collecting unemployment benefits and making excuses for their unfortunate state so yes, they will have to go back to their country. But you are having an issue with that too since well, those people are going back to work in their own country. I doubt you would want those foreigners to stay in the good ol' US of A and eating up your employment benefits but it's outrageous that they would go back to their nation and try to make a living so they can survive. In other words, only the western countries can have protectionism laws when it comes to jobs, but not the rest of the world.

Perhaps you have had bad experiences with some companies not hiring you and you have blamed it on the "Indians" not hiring you, a white man (who of course should always be considered first in the hiring process since hey, the skin color man, its just too awesome to ignore even with all those browns and yellows and blacks and pinks out there who have phds and masters and mbas and work experience to back up their getting hired).

Let me tell you why. You may have experience, but they are obscure and your lack of education in the field tells me that you have no knowledge about the latest technology or programming skills needed to stay on top of your game. You want to go to school in AU b/c you heard it is cheap. It's great that you want to try for that since AU has good education and great unis but your reasoning that you cannot get a scholarship since you are facing reverse discrimination from the US government because you are not a minority is BS. In this economy, it is actually the perfect time to get back to school since the government is actually giving money to adults to get higher degrees, not to mention the unis and colleges. You are not desperate enough. Try going to school that is out of your 'whites only' thinking. There are lots of scholarships out there in unis where whites are the minority but then again, why would you go there since you are trying to escape from all colors other than white.

Repeatedly there have been people here who have tried to help you, but for one am tired of hearing that the color of one's skin should be given preference over one's experience and qualities and education. You talk about globalization and how its not a two-way street. Where exactly are you even trying to go where you are not allowed to go? in many of the brown-skined countries, foreigners (esp. white so good news for you) are treated like royalty and are given perks to work in their companies, even in this economy. People with zero skills other than the fact that they have a passport from an english speaking country and look white are getting jobs in countries as an English instructor while more qualified, highly educated/experienced people are not since they lack the skin color and the passport that is oh-so-desired.

You want to talk about life loss. let's talk about it. let's talk about how there are people in the usa who have worked for the same company for more than 30 years, generations of their family have worked there, but are now out of work since the factory is moving. They have lost everything, their homes, their cars, their livelihood. They are not complaining that the Indians have come and taken their jobs away. They are complaining that they have lost their jobs to overseas but guess what? Their company did not move to india or china but to an Eastern European country. So will you now bash the Eatern Europeans as well?

There are very few who have not ben affected by this economy and the dire state the world is in right now. But one thing I would like to point out is that, it was not the Indians or the Chinese or the Ozzies whose economy was responsible for the crash of the world's market. it was the USA whose banks/corporate world that did this and since USA is the top nation in the world, many countries that were directly connected to it or depended on it faced the same fate or worse. Whether its Canada or Japan, people were affected greatly by the recession and every Tom, Dick, and Harry were affected by it in some form or other. The difference between them and you is that they are not blaming the Indians for their situation but actually trying their damndest to survive.

I apologize to the mods and to the owner of this board if I have stepped out of line and said anything that is hurtful to anyone. But I could not just sit back and not respond to these allegations when there are two sides to every story and only one side is being spoken and heard by everyone. No matter the experience everyone has had in this board regarding discrmination in the workplace or on the street, I think we can all agree that it is wrong and should not be encouraged.

[TumblingDice]

Originally Posted by tilla_07

You know I would have had more sympathy for you if you had actually sounded sincere and had not used this board to bash foreigners every chance you have gotten (wait, its not all foreigners, but Indians, you are bashing).

Please provide evidence to support this attack on my character. If I had made such a statement then I would certainly be censored by the non-sympathetic moderators as 'argumentative'. At no time did I attack the character of any Indian or Indians in general. Please support or remove this baseless accusation.

Originally Posted by tilla_07

One you talk about how the western countries have pulled back giving visas to foreigners (which is a bad thing for the foreigners, if you cannot tell) and then you turn around and say that oh, they have a safety net so they are actually luckier.

Again, please do not put words in my mouth. Please support your statement or remove it. I said all countries are pulling back giving visas and the example I gave was actually an Asian country removing visa support for westerners.

Originally Posted by tilla_07

Guess what? Your country is protecting your job by not giving them to the foreigners anymore.

Again, please provide supporting evidence that America is decreasing visas to foreigners. Last I heard it was an all time high this year and Mr. Gates is a major driving force in importing more foreigners to replace Americans. If this has all changed recently, please provide supporting evidence. Otherwise, I'm sorry but your statement is completely untrue. I could have missed some major change very recently, so again I'm more than happy to give you the chance to support your claim.

Originally Posted by tilla_07

They will not get to sit in their homes all day long collecting unemployment benefits and making excuses for their unfortunate state so yes, they will have to go back to their country.

So Americans on unemployment today are just 'making excuses' to 'sit in their homes all day long'? Must be nice to not be censored for such an unfounded, argumentative and frankly outrageous statement given the state of our economy. Shows what you really think of us Americans as we come in for an interview...

Originally Posted by tilla_07

But you are having an issue with that too since well, those people are going back to work in their own country. I doubt you would want those foreigners to stay in the good ol' US of A and eating up your employment benefits but it's outrageous that they would go back to their nation and try to make a living so they can survive.

Again, please provide evidence to your claim that foreigners are being sent home this year. I have seen no decrease in foreign visas to support the people who paid taxes all their lives to build this country. If the American government is now supporting its own people over foreigners I'd love to hear about it. Not being facetious. Literally I am curious how can support this claim?

Originally Posted by tilla_07

In other words, only the western countries can have protectionism laws when it comes to jobs, but not the rest of the world.

Totally the opposite of what is really happening. If you had read the entire thread which I am now really suspecting you did not, then you would see I was sent home from Asia so they could employ their own people first, only to come home and have visas given to foreigners to replace me. So no, your statement is not what I have said at all so again, please do not put words in my mouth that I did not say. All I would like to see is America support its own people the same way that Asia supports theirs, nothing more.

Originally Posted by tilla_07

Perhaps you have had bad experiences with some companies not hiring you and you have blamed it on the "Indians" not hiring you, a white man (who of course should always be considered first in the hiring process since hey, the skin color man, its just too awesome to ignore even with all those browns and yellows and blacks and pinks out there who have phds and masters and mbas and work experience to back up their getting hired).

This is a completely racist statement 'the skin color is too awesome to ignore'. This shows that you feel the only thing going for Americans who have been replaced by foreigners is their skin color. I protest! This truly shows what you think of us Americans! Esp when we are sitting in an interview. And how racist to say that 'browns, yellows, and blacks' are better educated. Some totally racist statements you are making there.

Originally Posted by tilla_07

Let me tell you why. You may have experience, but they are obscure and your lack of education in the field tells me that you have no knowledge about the latest technology or programming skills needed to stay on top of your game.

And now you are attacking me personally. Simply assuming that I do not have a competitive skill set. Again, you are making some pretty lofty and outrageous statements there. Dare I say 'Argumentative'. If I had said anything like that about you, you'd see another censored post...

Originally Posted by tilla_07

You want to go to school in AU b/c you heard it is cheap. It's great that you want to try for that since AU has good education and great unis but your reasoning that you cannot get a scholarship since you are facing reverse discrimination from the US government because you are not a minority is BS.

Really? So you know all about Affirmative Action in American schools? And what it is like to have people with a full grade point lower accepted to a program from which you are denied? And then given a full ride while you have to pay 100%? Clearly you know nothing about this and what a massive factor it happens to be in denying an affordable education to a person who happens to be white and male. Until you have been a full grade point higher and denied, you really don't know what you are talking about here. No Americans are denying the power of Affirmative Action in the Education system today. Nobody questions what it does. This is not even a discussion in my country. Nobody questions that it exists and the tremendous power it exerts. The discussion is whether or not it is still relevant and whether or not it is RIGHT.

[TumblingDice]

Originally Posted by tilla_07

In this economy, it is actually the perfect time to get back to school since the government is actually giving money to adults to get higher degrees, not to mention the unis and colleges. You are not desperate enough. Try going to school that is out of your 'whites only' thinking.

Again, I cannot believe such a racist assault was allowed by the moderators! Whites only!? You have no right to make such a baseless attack on my character! By the way please tell me in detail of which programs you speak. I just attended a paying for college seminar at the Workforce office on Thursday. You have no idea the efforts I've gone through or how many applications I have put in and received literally nothing. Yet you are happy to make these baseless claims.

Originally Posted by tilla_07

There are lots of scholarships out there in unis where whites are the minority but then again, why would you go there since you are trying to escape from all colors other than white.

Again, racist attacks on my character. Totally unfounded. You are out of line!

Originally Posted by tilla_07

Repeatedly there have been people here who have tried to help you, but for one am tired of hearing that the color of one's skin should be given preference over one's experience and qualities and education.

And yet another racist statement. If you had read the thread I said Americans should be given preference because they have paid taxes to build this country their whole lives and YES I stand by that. This is OUR country and it has nothing to do with color of skin so I'll appreciate very much if you kindly stop making these racist accusations.

Originally Posted by tilla_07

You talk about globalization and how its not a two-way street.

Yes. Exactly. It is not a two way street for Americans...

Originally Posted by tilla_07

Where exactly are you even trying to go where you are not allowed to go?

Well to Asia for one. The Philippines has no visas for Americans right now unless they can prove that they are 'vital to the survival of the company as a going concern'. In other words, if you are not VP or higher, your company has to go WAY out on a limb to keep an American on board right now. I'm glad you asked...

Originally Posted by tilla_07

in many of the brown-skined countries, foreigners (esp. white so good news for you) are treated like royalty and are given perks to work in their companies, even in this economy. People with zero skills other than the fact that they have a passport from an english speaking country and look white are getting jobs in countries as an English instructor while more qualified, highly educated/experienced people are not since they lack the skin color and the passport that is oh-so-desired.

Wow, yet again! What a totally racist statement! Again, you clearly show how little you think of white skinned English speakers. I'm absolutely amazed the mods let you get away with these inflammatory, baseless, and completely racist statements! Again, please provide some kind of support for your claims of how useless English speaking white people do not deserve the compensation packages they have received. You are so far out of line!

Originally Posted by tilla_07

You want to talk about life loss. let's talk about it. let's talk about how there are people in the usa who have worked for the same company for more than 30 years, generations of their family have worked there, but are now out of work since the factory is moving. They have lost everything, their homes, their cars, their livelihood. They are not complaining that the Indians have come and taken their jobs away.

Um actually they are, but apparently by your statements, you don't think too much of what these 'zero skills' white people are saying...

Originally Posted by tilla_07

They are complaining that they have lost their jobs to overseas but guess what? Their company did not move to india or china but to an Eastern European country. So will you now bash the Eatern Europeans as well?

Very few companies are moving abroad. Mostly foreigners are being brought here on visas to replace Americans. And for the record, yes I would have just as much of a problem if my country was giving my job to ANY foreigner. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH INDIANS PERSONALLY. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MY COUNTRY WHICH GIVES MY JOB AWAY WHEN I HAVE PAID TAXES TO THIS COUNTRY MY WHOLE LIFE YES I SHOULD COME FIRST. OVER ANY FOREIGNER. In my industry (IT) it just happens to be Indians that my country keeps giving my job to.

Originally Posted by tilla_07

There are very few who have not ben affected by this economy and the dire state the world is in right now. But one thing I would like to point out is that, it was not the Indians or the Chinese or the Ozzies whose economy was responsible for the crash of the world's market. it was the USA whose banks/corporate world that did this and since USA is the top nation in the world, many countries that were directly connected to it or depended on it faced the same fate or worse. Whether its Canada or Japan, people were affected greatly by the recession and every Tom, Dick, and Harry were affected by it in some form or other. The difference between them and you is that they are not blaming the Indians for their situation but actually trying their damndest to survive.

Again, please provide evidence that I ever said the state of our economy is to be blamed on Indians. This is ludicrous. Do NOT put words in my mouth. I will not get into the state of affairs that led to the current economy. But if you must know I blame the so called 'self regulating' CPA industry that cooks the books and has no oversight. Wordcom, Enron, etc. No matter how many companies fall because off cooked books these accountants are beyond regulation. This has nothing to do with Indians. My country giving my job to foreigners when the economy is poor is the problem here. And when they give so many jobs away that a minority in an industry becomes a majority, they will only naturally look down on the locals they have replaced. And these attitudes will obviously factor into their hiring decisions. You have proven my point exactly, better than I ever could have with the extremely racist, anti American, anti White statements you have made in this very forum. You have clearly shown your opinion about 'no skills' useless white people with 'nothing but their white skin' going for them. If I had made any statements even CLOSE to the nature of what you have said here I would be banned permanently. It is an outrage that your post even still exists here!

Originally Posted by tilla_07

I apologize to the mods and to the owner of this board if I have stepped out of line and said anything that is hurtful to anyone. But I could not just sit back and not respond to these allegations when there are two sides to every story and only one side is being spoken and heard by everyone. No matter the experience everyone has had in this board regarding discrimination in the workplace or on the street, I think we can all agree that it is wrong and should not be encouraged.

You owe more than a little kissing up apology to the 'mods' here. You have made repeated racist and nationalistic attacks on white people, on the unemployed in America, and on me personally. And you are way out of line! Unbelievable some of the things you have said. If I had actually said anything like you have in this forum, I would never be allowed to post again. You really owe an apology! And not just to me but to all 'white' Americans you have attacked, those working abroad, and those unemployed here in the states. You are so far out of line. Just because you are attacking white people does NOT make your racism OK. You have called Americans 'zero skilled' who wouldn't have a job except for their 'white skin' unemployed because they are 'sitting on their hands'. You have attacked my character by putting words in my mouth that I have never said on this forum or anywhere. You have attacked my skill set of which you know nothing about. Though it is nice to see you share your true feelings about white people, and what values YOU hold inside- you are totally out of line and owe one heck of an apology. You ought to be ashamed of yourself!