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Well said and I mean no offence, but may I add that there are some other hidden things which are never discussed in open. Most important being, the requirement for local experience, which is essentially Chicken and Egg situation. 2 year period definitely makes sense but I think if someone is allowed to complete that period in 5 years PR rather than initial 2 years, it would be a more feasible situation and then "restriction on citizenship" clause will hold more ground. Having said that, I understand it is a rule of initial 2 years but allowing some relaxation on case to case basis will not do much harm as it will help migrants to get that crucial LOCAL EXPERIENCE. I hope that "IndoAustralian" is able to get the extension and he should def'y try to get his next job in NSW ASAP...

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The moral issue etc has been discussed many time on this forum. If we browse through the website we will understand that many have been granted relaxation by the respective states. There are many others who just move out and not discuss on forums. There would also be a long list of lucky ones who got jobs in sponsored state as well.

The question here is clarity about 2 year commitment terms. Like what if the company recruits you in sponsored state and wants you to work elsewhere then how is immigrant affected by it? Whats the option if state sponsored candidate wishes to go for a long holiday across Australia? Should he keep state informed about it?

Sydney and Melbourne are main cities in Australia and its very common that companies in these cities would want employees to move around Australia or maybe also in NZ, Oceania and Pacific Islands. Regional areas are always dependent on bigger cities for skilled migrants. IndoAustralians case is similar here. He/She got stuck because of non clarity of allowance of movement.

Prime motive of the whole process is to get migrants in Australia, state sponsorship though also important is always secondary.

Kangroo: The benefits after 2 years are for all PRs and not just to state sponsored candidates. Also not just state sponsored candidates but all immigrants must support themselves till they find a job. However I agree with you that there should be a way that such a thing should be monitored and controlled.

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Whilst I agree with some of what you have posted frankly most of it is rubbish.

Needing local experience is something dreamed up by migrants who are not able to find jobs. How else to explain the hundreds of thousands of other state sponsored migrants who do find jobs without ever stepping in to Australia never mind working there.
And why have their been millions of people sponsored for 457 visas without ever having local experience and competing with local applicants.
Very few roles are needing local experience when you actually look at it.

If one is unable to apply without those 5 points and support of the state they should at least try for more than 8 weeks to fulfill it. Too many people visa grab, making the decision not to live in their sponsoring state before even landing in Australia. In effect taking a visa from someone who wants that sponsored place, who has family in the state, who has researched properly knowing they could get work there insted of applying anywhere with their occupation on their list.

And as you well know holidays do not count. Where you have made your home is what matters.

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Well, I mean no offence but would like to put forward my two cents on the local experience thing (not trying to start an argument though):

1) I can comment on something in IT sector. There are technologies which are in-vogue and sought after wherein IT companies would run helter skelter for right resources, will pay for 457, relocation et all. In other cases, where technology is not so much in vogue, people themselves try to get the PR and try their luck. It is mostly in these cases, local experience comes into the picture as AUS employers have option to choose from a vast pool. Can't blame them as any employer in any country would prefer a resource who can understand the market,culture and people better. Apart from US, this challenge of countering local experience is there in most of the countries.
2) There is a concept of "comparable labour markets" which a lot of people talk about. Most of the European countries and the US are considered to have a comparable labour market condition and hence it is easy for people from these countries to avoid "Local Experience" issue. I would again not call it wrong from AUS employers standpoint as the countries are questions are more process driven and have evolved much better from a technological standpoint vis a vis a 3rd world country. So obviously a person having that experience would be an automatically better choice, at least till screening stage.
3) I have e-mails aplenty wherein employers have rejected my application mentioning lack of local experience. I am not sure if I can counter than saying that ACS itself has evaluated my experience and found it reasonable but then such measures would be counter-productive.
4) I am not sure if anyone has noticed but I have seen while sending few job applications, there is a place where you select country you are from..there will be options like US, UK, Other European Countries, NZ and even SG, but not "India" and for that matter any 3rd world country, so I have no option but to select "Others". Why are talent/resume management systems considered like that is anybody's guess.

Anyways, my point is that whether we accept or not, Local experience is a reality (and that's only my individual opinion based on circumstances I have faced) and the sooner we accept the better it is. Point is not to crib about it (as there is nothing wrong in it since AUS employers are obviously @ a risk by hiring someone and paying them equivalent salaries as locals, who are absolutely new to the market) but to get a job as soon as possible to get that local experience. That is the reason why I am supporting IndoAustralian's case so that he is able to get that LOCAL experience and get accepted in the society better and quickly.

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no arguement but great argument from you. I can't talk about IT because I have little knowledge about it as I'm a social worker. So you would know I suppose if you have actually been applying for jobs, I still think in some cases its an easy excuse on the part of the employer but obviously not in all.
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NSW replied that way because you spent only 2 months applying for a job whilst they expected 6 months job hunting from you. Legally speaking, you can work anywhere in Australia with your 176 visa and not living in the sponsor state will not, in any way, affect your citizenship. As a migrant with no local experience, it's very hard for you when you look for your first job and sometimes you have to grab your job opportunity quickly although the offer is not in your sponsor state. And I bet that the Australian Gorvernment understand that.
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I have a query regarding the state sponsorship as we have committed to live and work in WA for two years upon arrival. Is it mandatory? Or just moral obligation?
This is my situation, my current employer do not have a suitable position in Perth, while the Brisbane office is having an open position. Is it possible for me live and work in Brisbane, QLD while I am being sponsored by WA? Please share your thoughts.

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Dear santomic,

staying in the state that sponsored you is more of a moral obligation and there are no official publications about repercussions, although some forum members pointed out that it could (potentially) affect a citizenship application down the road.

A good post on this topic: First 2 years of State Sponsorship

If you choose to apply for WA sponsorship because you need the additional points, I'd suggest to take it seriously and honor the agreement. By the way, you do not have to spend your first two years in WA, just a total of two years within the first five years. Perhaps you could start working in Brisbane but ask your employer for a transfer to Perth as soon as a suitable position becomes open.

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I strongly believe not meeting this obligation will have a negative impact down the line.

Following excerpt from SkillSelect website:
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Visa holders Conditions and obligations for holders of visa subclass 190

This information explains what is required of you (and your accompanying dependent family members) after you are granted a permanent Skilled Nominated visa (subclass 190).

Enter Australia
If you are outside Australia when this visa is granted, the department will specify the date by which you must enter Australia.

Fulfil employment obligations
There are some obligations that states or territories will require you to meet. These include that you:

•stay in that state or territory that nominated you for at least two years
•keep the state or territory informed of any changes to your address
•complete surveys and provide information when asked.

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Source: Skilled - Nominated (subclass 190) visa

So, it is a 190 visa condition/obligation and not obliging will be considered a violation of visa rules.

I would recommend for you to go to Perth and spend atleast 2 - 3 months to find a suitable job (even if it's few bucks less than other lucrative job offers in different state). Unfortunately, if it doesn't work, then look for a way out.

Nobody knows exactly the kind of negative impact it may have but I feel it's like the early phases of one's career (atleast in India) where the person is always tempted by the money and shifts job without proper relieving/notice period and regret it 5 - 10 yrs down the line.

All the best!
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It might matter once you apply for a RRV/citizenship later.
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