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Hello Friends,

I am new to this forum and I see pretty active threads and people helping each other.

I would be grateful if you could throw some light on the steps that needs to be followed to begin with 489 Visa application.

I am applying visa on my own. My case is below.

ACS +ve --> Developer Programmer (261312) --> Sep 2012.

IELTS appeared 2 times score is 7,6,6,8

DIAC Points - 50.

Total work experience - 4 years.

As I do not have sufficient IELTS score, I cannot get 60 points. And I am a Java/Oracle Developer Programmer.

My questions:-

1) What are the benefits and challenges of 489 Visa ? (I don't have any relatives to sponsor).

2) What are all the visa limitations ? Like if I apply for NSW, Sydney is not into regional part.

3) Where all I can work ? Where state I can go for Sponsorship (My choice of preference in order is - NSW, Victoria, SA). Basically I am confused on how I should select the state for quick Sponsorship and quick visa processing. Based on my ANZSCO code, could you please suggest me best options ?

4) Fund requirements for that state if any.

5) Procedure from step 1 to the end for application.

6) I know it is not a PR. How long it is valid ? Can I shift from that state to another within the validity period ?

7) Can I apply for PR down the line with this. As may be if I get to work in Australia for an year or more, I get 5 points. Perhaps, I can reappear for IELTS if needed.

Thanks in advance.

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Hi JR,

I can highly recommend DIAC Booklet 6 which is the go-to reference for all your 189/190/489 visa questions. The 489 SkillSelect page gives a short overview of the most crucial points (plus links) as well. To answer you questions very briefly:

1) Benefits/challenges of 489 Visa ? (I don't have any relatives to sponsor).
The clear benefit is that you get an additional 10 points, which will allow you to reach the pass mark of 60 point for a skilled migration visa. In return, you agree to live (and work) in regional Australia for two years. Unlike the 189/190 subclasses the 489 is a provisional visa with a pathway to permanent residency through the 887 visa (read up on it to fully understand the requirements).

If you don't have a family sponsor, your will need a Australian state or territory government nomination. Check the state migration plans to find regions that are looking for programmers. The application guidelines and requirements (some require a certain IELTS score) differ between states, so you should read those too.

2) What are all the visa limitations ? Like if I apply for NSW, Sydney is not into regional part.
It's a provisional visa, valid for 4 years and you won't be able to live in a big city like Sydney, Melbourne etc. for the first two years.

3) Where all I can work?
NSW does not nominate developers for regional sponsorship. Since your min. band score on the IELTS is 6 you will quickly notice that there are not that many options and that you might have to take what you can get. Processing times vary as well, but again, that's not the main problem Look it up yourself .

4) Fund requirements for that state if any.
Varies between states.

5) Procedure from step 1 to the end for application.
The process is EOI submission, sponsorship application, visa application, medicals and PPC - and lot's of waiting in between and at the end .

6) I know it is not a PR. How long it is valid ? Can I shift from that state to another within the validity period ?
See above.

7) Can I apply for PR down the line with this. As may be if I get to work in Australia for an year or more, I get 5 points. Perhaps, I can reappear for IELTS if needed.
See above. You can either apply for PR through 189/190 visas or for a 887 visa, if you fulfill the criteria. For the 887 you won't have to sit IELTS again, for the others you might have two (depending on your points and when your current result expires). DIAC will accept IELTS results that are up to three years old.

All the best,
Monika
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Hi JR,

I can highly recommend DIAC Booklet 6 which is the go-to reference for all your 189/190/489 visa questions. The 489 SkillSelect page gives a short overview of the most crucial points (plus links) as well. To answer you questions very briefly:

1) Benefits/challenges of 489 Visa ? (I don't have any relatives to sponsor).
The clear benefit is that you get an additional 10 points, which will allow you to reach the pass mark of 60 point for a skilled migration visa. In return, you agree to live (and work) in regional Australia for two years. Unlike the 189/190 subclasses the 489 is a provisional visa with a pathway to permanent residency through the 887 visa (read up on it to fully understand the requirements).

If you don't have a family sponsor, your will need a Australian state or territory government nomination. Check the state migration plans to find regions that are looking for programmers. The application guidelines and requirements (some require a certain IELTS score) differ between states, so you should read those too.

2) What are all the visa limitations ? Like if I apply for NSW, Sydney is not into regional part.
It's a provisional visa, valid for 4 years and you won't be able to live in a big city like Sydney, Melbourne etc. for the first two years.

3) Where all I can work?
NSW does not nominate developers for regional sponsorship. Since your min. band score on the IELTS is 6 you will quickly notice that there are not that many options and that you might have to take what you can get. Processing times vary as well, but again, that's not the main problem Look it up yourself .

4) Fund requirements for that state if any.
Varies between states.

5) Procedure from step 1 to the end for application.
The process is EOI submission, sponsorship application, visa application, medicals and PPC - and lot's of waiting in between and at the end .

6) I know it is not a PR. How long it is valid ? Can I shift from that state to another within the validity period ?
See above.

7) Can I apply for PR down the line with this. As may be if I get to work in Australia for an year or more, I get 5 points. Perhaps, I can reappear for IELTS if needed.
See above. You can either apply for PR through 189/190 visas or for a 887 visa, if you fulfill the criteria. For the 887 you won't have to sit IELTS again, for the others you might have two (depending on your points and when your current result expires). DIAC will accept IELTS results that are up to three years old.

All the best,
Monika
Hello Monika,

That's a lot of information, precisely answers each of my questions. I am looking into the links you have helped me with, its very informative. Thank you so much, I will quickly make up my decision.

Good to know that for 887, I need not sit IELTS again.

Only one question now - Is 887 and 189/190 equivalent ? Sorry to bother you again.

Thank you.

Best regards,
JR

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Hi JR,

all three (887, 189 and 190) are permanent residence visas.

The difference is that you do not have to pass the points test to apply for a 887 visa, just live in regional Australia on a 489 visa (or some other visa listed on the info page) for two years and work there for at least one. Plus, you must still be able to pass the health and character requirements etc.

The 189/190 subclasses require you to pass the points test. You might fulfill the requirements for these earlier. For instance, let's assume that you move to Australia on a 489 visa and find work in your occupation fairly soon after arrival. After one year of work you would get an additional 5 points on the points test for your Australian work experience. In addition, because you are now feeling more confident with your English, you re-take the IELTS exam and get an additional 10 points. Now you have 65 points and apply directly for a 189 visa to get that out of the way.

However, going for a 189/190 visa has no real advantages, because you should honor your obligation to live in regional Australia for two years anyway. And after two years you could apply for a 887. Plus, the 887 is much cheaper than the 189/190 visas (325AUD vs. 3,060AUD).

Hope that helps,
Monika
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Hi JR,

all three (887, 189 and 190) are permanent residence visas.

The difference is that you do not have to pass the points test to apply for a 887 visa, just live in regional Australia on a 489 visa (or some other visa listed on the info page) for two years and work there for at least one. Plus, you must still be able to pass the health and character requirements etc.

The 189/190 subclasses require you to pass the points test. You might fulfill the requirements for these earlier. For instance, let's assume that you move to Australia on a 489 visa and find work in your occupation fairly soon after arrival. After one year of work you would get an additional 5 points on the points test for your Australian work experience. In addition, because you are now feeling more confident with your English, you re-take the IELTS exam and get an additional 10 points. Now you have 65 points and apply directly for a 189 visa to get that out of the way.

However, going for a 189/190 visa has no real advantages, because you should honor your obligation to live in regional Australia for two years anyway. And after two years you could apply for a 887. Plus, the 887 is much cheaper than the 189/190 visas (325AUD vs. 3,060AUD).

Hope that helps,
Monika
Hello Monika,

Again thanks a lot for taking time to help me out, I greatly appreciate this.

Thank you for letting me know the huge benefits of 887 and particularly about the cost of Visa, it interests me. Well seems like 489 is the way, but I am skeptical about the job availability for Developer Programmers in different states. Will do my homework on understanding which state(Region) has Developer Programmer need and also accepts my IELTS score.

But to my knowledge so far, its only NSW which accepts IELTS 6 and not other states. However, NSW don't seem to invite Developer Programmers in their SOL for 4 of their regions.

Thanks again.

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Hi JR,

all three (887, 189 and 190) are permanent residence visas.

The difference is that you do not have to pass the points test to apply for a 887 visa, just live in regional Australia on a 489 visa (or some other visa listed on the info page) for two years and work there for at least one. Plus, you must still be able to pass the health and character requirements etc.

The 189/190 subclasses require you to pass the points test. You might fulfill the requirements for these earlier. For instance, let's assume that you move to Australia on a 489 visa and find work in your occupation fairly soon after arrival. After one year of work you would get an additional 5 points on the points test for your Australian work experience. In addition, because you are now feeling more confident with your English, you re-take the IELTS exam and get an additional 10 points. Now you have 65 points and apply directly for a 189 visa to get that out of the way.

However, going for a 189/190 visa has no real advantages, because you should honor your obligation to live in regional Australia for two years anyway. And after two years you could apply for a 887. Plus, the 887 is much cheaper than the 189/190 visas (325AUD vs. 3,060AUD).

Hope that helps,
Monika

Hi,

I have a confusion regarding 190 and initial entry date. Could you please clear it?

I have received SS from SA by 190 visa sub class and my initial date of entry is August 28th 2013. So do I need to enter to South Australia/Adelaide before 28th or it would be fine if I enter to Sydney before 28th and visit Adelaide on first of September. Please suggest.

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Hi forhad,

the latest date to validate your visa is on the August 28, 2013 because your PPC was issued on August 29, 2012. To validate a visa, you only have to land at any Australian airport (Sydney, Canberra, Adelaide - whatever you want). Some people just fly in to validate and maybe for a short holiday and go back to their home country right after that for a while (or even a couple of years). However, once you "move" to Australia (indicated by renting a flat or house, registering with Medicare, taking up a job) you should go to SA. Nobody prohibits you from visiting Sydney - for a two-week holiday or something like that - either before or after August 28. However, if you want to "settle" you should do that in SA . It would probably be easier to do it the other way round: Move to Adelaide, get all those organizational steps (Medicare, Tax number, maybe flat search) out of the way and then treat yourself to a trip to Sydney some time afterwards before you start working. In any case, if you are going to Sydney and spend more than a week or two there, you should notify the SA government that you are on a short holiday and are not planning to "jump state" or anything - especially if you do that immediately after arriving.

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Hi forhad,

the latest date to validate your visa is on the August 28, 2013 because your PPC was issued on August 29, 2012. To validate a visa, you only have to land at any Australian airport (Sydney, Canberra, Adelaide - whatever you want). Some people just fly in to validate and maybe for a short holiday and go back to their home country right after that for a while (or even a couple of years). However, once you "move" to Australia (indicated by renting a flat or house, registering with Medicare, taking up a job) you should go to SA. Nobody prohibits you from visiting Sydney - for a two-week holiday or something like that - either before or after August 28. However, if you want to "settle" you should do that in SA . It would probably be easier to do it the other way round: Move to Adelaide, get all those organizational steps (Medicare, Tax number, maybe flat search) out of the way and then treat yourself to a trip to Sydney some time afterwards before you start working. In any case, if you are going to Sydney and spend more than a week or two there, you should notify the SA government that you are on a short holiday and are not planning to "jump state" or anything - especially if you do that immediately after arriving.

All the best,
Monika
Hi Monika,

Thank you a lot for your help.

I will have to come back to my own country as I have a contract with my current employer.

I have to validate the visa by giving my initial entry. My plan is to visit Sydney before 28th August as my sister lives there. On the first of September I will visit SA and after living one week there I will be back in my own country.

I was confused whether I have to make my initial entry in SA or it would be fine if I make my initial entry in anywhere. Thanks for your quick help.

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Hi JR,

I can highly recommend DIAC Booklet 6 which is the go-to reference for all your 189/190/489 visa questions. The 489 SkillSelect page gives a short overview of the most crucial points (plus links) as well. To answer you questions very briefly:

1) Benefits/challenges of 489 Visa ? (I don't have any relatives to sponsor).
The clear benefit is that you get an additional 10 points, which will allow you to reach the pass mark of 60 point for a skilled migration visa. In return, you agree to live (and work) in regional Australia for two years. Unlike the 189/190 subclasses the 489 is a provisional visa with a pathway to permanent residency through the 887 visa (read up on it to fully understand the requirements).

If you don't have a family sponsor, your will need a Australian state or territory government nomination. Check the state migration plans to find regions that are looking for programmers. The application guidelines and requirements (some require a certain IELTS score) differ between states, so you should read those too.

2) What are all the visa limitations ? Like if I apply for NSW, Sydney is not into regional part.
It's a provisional visa, valid for 4 years and you won't be able to live in a big city like Sydney, Melbourne etc. for the first two years.

3) Where all I can work?
NSW does not nominate developers for regional sponsorship. Since your min. band score on the IELTS is 6 you will quickly notice that there are not that many options and that you might have to take what you can get. Processing times vary as well, but again, that's not the main problem Look it up yourself .

4) Fund requirements for that state if any.
Varies between states.

5) Procedure from step 1 to the end for application.
The process is EOI submission, sponsorship application, visa application, medicals and PPC - and lot's of waiting in between and at the end .

6) I know it is not a PR. How long it is valid ? Can I shift from that state to another within the validity period ?
See above.

7) Can I apply for PR down the line with this. As may be if I get to work in Australia for an year or more, I get 5 points. Perhaps, I can reappear for IELTS if needed.
See above. You can either apply for PR through 189/190 visas or for a 887 visa, if you fulfill the criteria. For the 887 you won't have to sit IELTS again, for the others you might have two (depending on your points and when your current result expires). DIAC will accept IELTS results that are up to three years old.

All the best,
Monika


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Hello Friends,

I am new to this forum and I see pretty active threads and people helping each other.

I would be grateful if you could throw some light on the steps that needs to be followed to begin with 489 Visa application.

I am applying visa on my own. My case is below.

ACS +ve --> Developer Programmer (261312) --> Sep 2012.

IELTS appeared 2 times score is 7,6,6,8

DIAC Points - 50.

Total work experience - 4 years.

As I do not have sufficient IELTS score, I cannot get 60 points. And I am a Java/Oracle Developer Programmer.

My questions:-

1) What are the benefits and challenges of 489 Visa ? (I don't have any relatives to sponsor).

2) What are all the visa limitations ? Like if I apply for NSW, Sydney is not into regional part.

3) Where all I can work ? Where state I can go for Sponsorship (My choice of preference in order is - NSW, Victoria, SA). Basically I am confused on how I should select the state for quick Sponsorship and quick visa processing. Based on my ANZSCO code, could you please suggest me best options ?

4) Fund requirements for that state if any.

5) Procedure from step 1 to the end for application.

6) I know it is not a PR. How long it is valid ? Can I shift from that state to another within the validity period ?

7) Can I apply for PR down the line with this. As may be if I get to work in Australia for an year or more, I get 5 points. Perhaps, I can reappear for IELTS if needed.

Thanks in advance.

Best regards,
JR

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