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Hi guys

Based on the statement from the PM's website:

Strengthening the Integrity of Australian Citizenship | Prime Minister of Australia

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The reforms will include:

•Requiring applicants to have lived in Australia as a permanent resident for at least four years (instead of one year at present);
Wasnt it always 4 years? Last year when I checked on the website calculator, it said i 3-4 more years to spend in AU before I could apply for the passport.

Secondly, there is another rumor going around that the processing time to get the passport has been changed from 12 months to 4 years

Is that true too?

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If I'm not wrong, if you've been living here legally in Australia, e.g. as international student, those years are counted. As an example, if you were an international student taking a 4 year course and after graduating you became a PR, then you just need to live here as PR for 1 year to be eligible for citizenship.

It's different story for those who have never lived here before.

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This thread is created to let people aware about the new citizenship policy.
Previously, people just had to stay 1 year after PR and 3 year beforehand with any eligible visa. With the new policy, everyone must live in Australia for 4 year after their PR. There are people living in there for so many years have been severely affected by this new rule.

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The Turnbull Government will strengthen Australian citizenship by putting Australian values at the heart of citizenship processes and requirements.

Our reforms will ensure applicants are competent in English, have been a permanent resident for at least four years and commit to embracing Australian values.

Australia is an immigration nation. We are the most successful multicultural society in the world. More than 130,000 people from around 210 countries are invited to become Australian citizens each year. We welcome the contribution, opportunities and energy they bring to our community.

Membership of the Australian family is a privilege and should be granted to those who support our values, respect our laws and want to work hard by integrating and contributing to an even better Australia.

Citizenship is at the heart of our national identity. It is the foundation of our democracy. We must ensure that our citizenship program is conducted in our national interest. The reforms will include:
Requiring all applicants to pass a stand-alone English test, involving reading, writing, listening and speaking;
Requiring applicants to have lived in Australia as a permanent resident for at least four years (instead of one year at present);
Strengthening the citizenship test itself with new and more meaningful questions that assess an applicant's understanding of - and commitment to - our shared values and responsibilities;
Requiring applicants to show the steps they have taken to integrate into and contribute to the Australian community. Examples would include evidence of employment, membership of community organisations and school enrolment for all eligible children.
Limiting the number of times an applicant can fail the citizenship test to three (at present there is no limit to the number of times an applicant can fail the test);
Introducing an automatic fail for applicants who cheat during the citizenship test.
In our democracy, the most important title is "Australian citizen". Citizenship brings with it great privileges and responsibilities and so deserves respect and commitment from those who seek it, as well as those who are granted it.

Those who choose to become Australian citizens are making a solemn commitment to our democracy, to our way of life. And that commitment, made by 5 million since 1949, has helped secure and enrich our nation.

English language proficiency is essential for economic participation. It promotes integration into the Australian community and social cohesion. Relevant exemptions will apply, such as for permanent or enduring incapacity and for those under 16 years of age.

Any conduct that is inconsistent with Australian values will be considered as part of this process. For example, criminal activity, including violence against women and children, involvement in gangs or organised crime, is thoroughly inconsistent with Australian values.

These changes have been informed by the feedback received from the National Consultation on Citizenship, conducted by Senator the Hon Concetta Fierravanti-Wells and the Hon Philip Ruddock MP in 2015 and the 2016 Productivity Commission Report Migrant Intake into Australia.

The new requirements will apply to all new applications for Australian citizenship.
While other changes are reasonable, the 2nd one is very unfair. Meaning who in on PR for near 1 year, need to wait another 3 years to apply for citizenship.

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While other changes are reasonable, the 2nd one is very unfair. Meaning who in on PR for near 1 year, need to wait another 3 years to apply for citizenship.
While I understand and sympathise with those affected, I don't see how you can call it unfair - any country has the right to decide what its requirements for citizenship are, and no country owes any foreigner a quick oath to citizenship.

Four years of PR is still pretty good - you'd need 5 years for the UK, US, Vietnam, France, even more for others, such as 7 years for India and 8 years for Germany.

Of course, lots of people never get Citizenship in Australia and still live here and travel internationally regularly.


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How is someone severely affected by this ruling?

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Hi all,

From the past 3 days I am seeing a lot of panic in this forum regarding the new Citizenship rules and the 457 issue.

The government has replaced 457's with 2 new visas. Lets be honest here, the 457 visa was abused a lot. It needed a change & it got one. Now genuine employees will only come to Australia on the new visas. Its a good thing because there is clarity on this subject now. The occupations removed are almost right. I know some Mechanical Engineering positions have been removed too but hopefully they will be back soon. Remember the list goes by the market. If there is a demand then there has to be a supply. So if your occupation is not on the list, then there are a lot of sub streams in your occupation you could apply for. The main occupations are still on the list and will be there for the near future and hopefully they will increase the list too. Australia is a growing economy & there is always demand for jobs to be filled.

As far as the Citizenship changes goes, its again the right thing. To become a citizen you need to love your country. So the government has all the right to make sure the right people become citizens. A lot of people are not happy with the 4 year wait but its a good thing because it gives you a hell lot of time to prepare for the Citizenship test. People who have stayed long in Australia must be angry that they can't apply right away but its a wait for a few more years. I'm sure the English test is going to be a formality since everyone has to get good English scores for their visas. Community integration is also a formality.

Yes the new rules are not right for International students & I'm sure the government knows about it. I'm hearing there is considerable pressure from the Uni's on the government to do something about it, maybe we will hear something good for the students soon. Be optimistic.

Finally lets not forget that Australia has a lower population than UK & Canada. It is a huge country with tremendous potential. Off late a lot of immigrants are moving to Canada & Europe, so maybe, just maybe, there might be a reduction in numbers of migrants to Australia (a good thing for people who want to migrate to Australia). There will also be expansions in the regional areas in the future which, will lead up to more jobs in those regions & more migration opportunities. Prospective migrants need to target the 65+ points threshold, its always good to be above the minimum requirement. A PR is as good as a citizenship. Those who are trying for it be happy & go for it. People who are coming to Australia on Temporary visas, you just have to wait a little longer for your citizenship. Remember good things happen at the right time & to people who are patient and wait for it . So be positive & hope for the best.

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I hav been here for almost 10 yrs still not getting PR ( uncertain)..... spending thousands of $$ for fees, taxes and expense to survive here for family and kid....how unfair it is mostly students came here for ofcourse PR.. and Internation students are Golden chickens for Govt to lure for PR, and by end of their study they changed SOL or IELTS requrement or state spons rules...They genuinely wana stay here for best future..

while, at the same time, I saw lot of ozi who just dont wana work and sit llazy and depend on welfare payment.. How its unfair for that...same thing with 457 immigrants..

Is this Aus value who welcome refugee( produced many kids) and kickked of skilled people who contribute gud things, paying taxes for this country....

Its unfair and playing dirty games wid all immigrants....Howmany times they wana prove their english level since before enter in this contry..

Ofcourse govt wants money with selfish attitute from immigrant as PM said this country rely on only immigrants..

Anyway never come on thiis country on Student visa or any other apart from direct PR..

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I hav been here for almost 10 yrs still not getting PR ( uncertain)..... spending thousands of $$ for fees, taxes and expense to survive here for family and kid....how unfair it is mostly students came here for ofcourse PR.. and Internation students are Golden chickens for Govt to lure for PR, and by end of their study they changed SOL or IELTS requrement or state spons rules...They genuinely wana stay here for best future..

Universities didn't advertise saying come to Australia, we will give you PR. If you came here for study and not for PR, you would have no reason to be disappointed. And no one forced you to spend money for Australia. You paid taxes as millions of other Aus paid taxes, you are not different. It's their country and they have every right to decide what they want. As Aus PM said It is a privilege and not a right. That's the problem of some intending immigrants.

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while, at the same time, I saw lot of ozi who just dont wana work and sit llazy and depend on welfare payment.. How its unfair for that...same thing with 457 immigrants..
It's their country and they will decide if they want to support lazy Aussies, it's not you to say what they will do to their citizens. 457 was abused. In SA the unemployment is over 20% (considering people who don't seek job). Many Aussies and PR can't find jobs cos restaurant work, beauty salon manager, hairdresser jobs are being filled with 457.
Some lazy people don't define a whole country. There are lazy people all over the world in every countries.

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Is this Aus value who welcome refugee( produced many kids) and kickked of skilled people who contribute gud things, paying taxes for this country....
This is borderline xenophobia and you should seriously consider your words generalising a whole group based on some. There are lots of great refugees who build worlds and nations. Please google them. America, Australia, and lots of other nations were build on refuges. People didn't choose to be refuges and in today's world it sounds even more appalling.

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Its unfair and playing dirty games wid all immigrants....Howmany times they wana prove their english level since before enter in this contry..
There is nothing unfair. If one can't speak good English, then perhaps he/she isn't good enough for Australia as Australia expects its citizens to speak in good English. Not everybody goes through English tests multiple times and especially the wife and children of PR may never have to take English tests while becoming PR.

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Ofcourse govt wants money with selfish attitute from immigrant as PM said this country rely on only immigrants..
Well if you don't like the gov and think it's selfish, perhaps you should think why you want to be citizen or PR of such country.

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Anyway never come on thiis country on Student visa or any other apart from direct PR..
Australia has some of the best unis in the world and people will come here to study. If your aim is to get PR, then as I said you shouldn't have come here in the 1st place. If you came to study, then come for study and not PR. This is exactly the complain right wing parties makes and you guys are validating their words and jeopardising the chances of real skilled immigrants.
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hey dude its your opinion,, while I just shared my opinion which may help many expats here..

conclusion of my opinion was last line,,, which may help others...

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