175 or 176- Final call

[bangalg]

Originally Posted by atsurti

I'd go for a vic SS too. You have 4 months and a week left for 1st July... Even if you get the SS by May you would be able to apply a month before the new changes.

The thing is if the state wants you the DIAC should be giving you the visa. That is what a part of Skill Select says that a state should be ready to invite you which you would have from Vic.

So I would go for a SS to get a higher priority.

All the best.

Thanks, atsurti. But I heard that VIC SS is quite unpredictable. So if I wait until end of April for VIC and then learn they have rejected me then that will be tough.
Others are trying this simultaneous-175 online- 176 on paper route. Huge money involved but will it really work? Is it legal? Any ideas please?

[AllTime]

Reading the forums, sometimes ease things and complicates sometimes... I am new to this place and have applied for 175(Developer Programmer) Online on 1 Feb 2012 ...After going through many post,forums on SOL flagged Occupations i am in more dilemma now .. should i hang on 175 or get started for 176 ?

[auzee_bujji]

Originally Posted by AllTime

Reading the forums, sometimes ease things and complicates sometimes... I am new to this place and have applied for 175(Developer Programmer) Online on 1 Feb 2012 ...After going through many post,forums on SOL flagged Occupations i am in more dilemma now .. should i hang on 175 or get started for 176 ?

Answer for this would be directly related to how much you would be affected in a worst case scenario, and would you be able to take it easy in a worst case scenario? As now a days most of the countries closed the immigration doors there are not much options, I'm one of the candidate missed the canada door at the last moment (as they removed the IT list), so I dont want to see it again. 3000 more dollars as a additional fee doesnt matter for me, rather than worrying later.

It is purely your call to decide based on how much you are determined to move to australia.

[bangalg]

Thanks, Anj, Bharat, ATsurti, nowhere kid-
I don't see any VIC SS approvals in Feb. Certainly not for Business Analysts. They seem to be going slow and looks like they are unpredictable as well. What I'll do is- apply for 175 right away (online) and parallely apply for VIC SS. Let VIC come in whenever... I will have a month to take a call in order to go for VIC. I have a question-

- If my 175 is in process and then in May I decide to go in for 176, can I legally apply for 176 by paper application? Ignore the financial aspects of it. Some members are doing it- trying their luck with either. Is this legal and can I do it? Will it result in twin disasters?

- Anj1976- in your experience, have you come across situations where somebody has applied for PR and then while it is in process, the occupation has got delisted resulting in the priority going down to 5? Is this normal?

[lifeisgood]

I think its important that you set out your priorities so that this decision can be taken .
I will suggest the following points to be considered:

1. Are you ready to wait 8-10 months for the visa? If YES then go for 175 visa or else go for 176 visa.
2. Considering that VIC is your preferred state; are you willing to stick there for 2 years and will you be able to find a job there? If YES then go for 175 visa.

Obviously you already know the limitation of 176 visa (in terms of mobility of states)..
So make a decision based on these factors.

My personal suggestion would be to go for the visa with which you are most comfortable with..

Originally Posted by bangalg

I was waiting for my IELTS results and having now got an 8+ score, I can get the full 65 points required for 175. A state sponsorhip will make that 70 if I apply for 176.

But what do I do? Do I go for 175 and risk my priority being relegated from 4 to 5 or should I go for a more certain 176 (Victoria SS)? I know this has become a banal topic now. But a dilemma all the same for me. I read a post a while back from a person who has received a vague reply on this from DIAC (something like..."future ministerial direction on this matter is uncertain... there may be transitional arrangements in place"...) - that leaves me nowhere.

(Thinking aloud): If I want higher certainty, I should go for 176 with its limitations. If I want lower certaintly but a 'broader' visa, I should go for 175.

Since I am quite keen on moving to Aus and I do not want to take a chance... think will go in for VIC.

[sandylewis]

Originally Posted by bangalg

What's your profession? You a business analyst as well?

I have gone with 175 as ICT BA jobs are mostly present in sydney. The chances are less in melbourne and elsewhere. Perth is good i heard but i have decided for sydney as i am here from past 1 yr and like the place.

[bangalg]

Please refer to this link (The bottom-most comment by George Lombard on the page)



General Skilled Migration - the future - Page 5[/url]

He mentions that there are around 27,347 (in Australia) and 15,284 (Outside Australia) Priority 5 cases with DIAC.
Now, please refer to this link (Freimann's posting where he has pasted DIAC's email)




It clearly states, sometime in November, 2011, DIAC is taking up Cat 5 cases for processing. It also states that DIAC's migration programme for 2011-12 aims at getting 72,460 GSM Applicants in.
I was analyzing the above two posts. Here are some inferences I can make:

a. Since there will be no such thing as 'Category 5' for applications submitted after 01-July-2012, the total number of outstanding 'Category 5' applicants will be frozen and can only go down from then on

b. Assuming the GSM programme for 2012-13 will be something similar to 2011-12, we can expect around 70,000 applications through this route. Assuming 15% of them will be from the backlog Category 5 applicants, then we can expect a clearance of around 10,000 applications per year. This means it should take around 4 years for the backlog to clear

c. Another point of view could be that DIAC may completely stop taking applications from say April, 2012 with the intention of clearing the backlog of applications over the next 3 months. This is the best case scenario for Cat.5 applicants.

Basically, I don't think all hope is lost for 175 applicants if their occupation goes off SOL...Any views/ comments?

[sandylewis]

I still beleive in 175 will happen within july august. Anyway i am on a 457 and will continue on it. ICT Business Analyst wont be flagged as there is shortage of good BA's in sydney. Market is slightly down now but will catch up in a few months.

Also since most of 175 applicants of june 2011 are getting CO now it wont be far off for feb 2012 applicants.

How long does it take for Victoria SS?

[sandylewis]

Also note the 2012-13 - EOI is slightly different. Immigration will come out will numbers for each profession required every 3 months. People will continue to apply for EOI from july 1 but the ones with highest points will be selected every time a list comes out. It may be zero for ICT BA at times but may be more also. They may go the state way as well.

[bangalg]

Originally Posted by sandylewis

Also note the 2012-13 - EOI is slightly different. Immigration will come out will numbers for each profession required every 3 months. People will continue to apply for EOI from july 1 but the ones with highest points will be selected every time a list comes out. It may be zero for ICT BA at times but may be more also. They may go the state way as well.

Thanks for the response. That's heartening to note. It's quite tempting to go for a 175 straightaway but if one reads year-old posts, one will understand the pain of a relegation in priority. So if I apply for 175 now and it goes off occupation list then it is quite possible that I will have to wait for eternity. Hence I am taking a safe bet and going in for VIC SS. This SS is again pretty unpredictable. Can take a month or two but can be rejected for any vague reason.

You are right that June 175 applications are being picked up now. At the current run rate, feb should be picked up in October - which comes much after July

I am just hoping I get VIC SS quickly. Worse case scenario for me is VIC SS being rejected in April and then I rush to push in 175!