will i be banned from the US

no offense taken.

Back to business

I am Polish - Canadian - American (two if them by choice), currently in NYC.

I know pretty well how all three systems work; got to know the local mentalities and I believe none of them us ideal. It just depends what you are looking for at the particular stage of your life (and the particular stage of the world history).

When I arrived to the USA 20 years ago for the first time, it was a different country than what I see today. So was the different world out there with the Berlin Wall still around and the biggest enemy was the Soviet Russia. And we though the world affairs were complicated. ....

I am very sad about what is happening in the States and very much ready to pack the bags myself. I am the lucky one - I have options to settle in most of the West.

"The problem is the USA is going down hill fast."

I agree with you.

But not only the USA. Europe will have her share of problems, give it 20 more years. With the aging population and the immigration issues combined with strong defense of national character of some countries I see a bit of a problem coming. Also, I would add that what is going to kill the Western world, including America, is the "Political Correctness".

The difference between the nations in Europe (which have problems of their own) and the States is the character of the nations. And that starts with the differences in their history. These are two different animals located in two different parts of the world.

Europeans do take to the streets - it is a part of our character. Americans do not do that - you are brought up in a different way - being an individual in the pursue of “happiness" (whatever that means is supposed to guarantee you a success in life. Do not forget about the good college education, followed by a huge mortgage and that entire life model. And consume, consume, consume...the more the better...Someone designed that model brilliantly to avoid any manifestations and solidarity of the Americans. Part of it also is the immigrant character of the American (and The Canadian) nation.

France told the US to F-off when they demanded troops for the phony Iraq

So did Canada. Poland, however as a silly puppy, trusted America again.

I would say France is a MUCH better country than the USA - it takes care of it's people first.

I agree though would add that as long as you are not a French from Africa, preferably you are a white person - then things are peachy and rosy.

Well , I have a lot of respect for Canada. From what I know the corruption is very low.

This is true. But what is also true is that 80% of native (Canadian born) young professionals want to be in the States while in their productive years. That tells you something.

Retirement in Canada – yes. Professional life - maybe not.

BTW, as far as Poland goes, well I'm sure you know very well that a very sick FDR and Churchill gave Poland away to Stalin in the costal city of YALTA on the Black Sea at the end of WWII - great game, passing countries around like that.

I know all that - they teach us world history in Poland very well.

America has sodomized Poland plenty of times - why isn't Poland in the new 6 countries added list of countries under the 3 month Visa Waiver program? Poland sends troops for Bush and Obama and get ZERO in return !!!

I would just say - Blame it on Poland to be a sucker and so naive.
People will treat you the way you allow them to. Some people in Poland must think that these are still Kosciuszko and Pulaski times....

There is logic behind the visa issue. For too many Poles getting a tourist visa means getting a green card. They do not want to understand the difference and will jump the system at any opportunity. True, they do not join any “Holy Wars" but work here illegally. This is just to be fair to the both sides. Most of my friends in Poland are professionals and getting a US visa is a walk in the park.

I try not to take any sides, defend any nation or find it at fault. All places have good and bad to offer. Some of us are lucky enough to be in the position to experiment with many countries. Personally, I am just trying to enjoy the ride

Take care,
B

[Zoom]

Dear Beatka, well, I have to totally agree with you on all these points. You say that Poland naively put it's trust in the USA which is so true but has so far received very little in way of a thank you. Months ago I found this on you tube (I see it's still here) -

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.

I have to agree with these Taxi Drivers.I think many countries feel the same way towards the USA. America treats a lot of countries like this - uses them - and then turns their back on them when it's time to help with something - payback a favor. All in all it's really no way for a country to behave - massive arrogance doesn't ever look good on any country. America needs to learn to be civilized again. All the best, Zoom

Thank you for the link. Is a good one and shows how things really are.

Actually, they are a bit worse right now (and it is not even about the visa issue) - after the recent White House behavior towards that part of the world.

People over there do not expect much - a simple "Thank You" card would be nice.

However, the current US administration decided to focus on Asia so much and deleted the last 250 years of history - that it is just very painful to watch.


It is just sad to see America go that low.

Take care,

B

[EVHB]

Maybe if you are familiar with that name, yes, you would know. But I had never heard of "Beatka" before. Didn't even know it was a name at all.

Originally Posted by Fatbrit

You mean apart from the fact that Beatka is a girl's name? Even if you didn't know that, the "a" ending is a dead give away for sex,

So are you telling me that all these are girls?
Abdulla, Andrea, Elia, Ezra, Ilja, Jona, Joshua, Lucca, Matthia, Mica, Moustapha, Nicola, Noa, Sacha, Simba, Wanja, ...
;-)

The discussion is making a nice, lighter turn - no more politics - let's talk about names

Beatka is actually a cute version in Polish language of Beata (or Beate in Germany or Scandinavia).

I guess the issue we all face while communicating with others (that we do not know yet) over the Internet - we really have no idea who is on the other side.
We all simply make assumptions and that is just the way we are wired and process information.

Good day,
B

[Fatbrit]

Originally Posted by EVHB

Maybe if you are familiar with that name, yes, you would know. But I had never heard of "Beatka" before. Didn't even know it was a name at all.


So are you telling me that all these are girls?
Abdulla, Andrea, Elia, Ezra, Ilja, Jona, Joshua, Lucca, Matthia, Mica, Moustapha, Nicola, Noa, Sacha, Simba, Wanja, ...
;-)

Are you trying to lessen my put down of Zoom?

The ending a was only a clue, not a rule. As was the k. There was also the Polish flag there flying in all its glory.

[Zoom]

Originally Posted by Fatbrit

Are you trying to lessen my put down of Zoom?

LMAO, awww yes, but let's not forget that the old Zoomster might have an extra Ace or 2 up his sleeve..... submit this for your approval -

I see Fatbrit is a Sid Vicious fan (I assume also a SEX PISTOLS fan) and Sid did have, like a tightly over packed Mexican firecracker, a moment of pure brilliance (see first youtube) but what is often forgotten is that the band in the second youtube are the true Punkers, the true anti-establishment musical chaos to come along in the 1970's, shock and awe the pathetic Disco movement, and bring Rock and Roll back to reality and authenticity........ Maybe the Sex Pistols were the first but one must also remember, Gerry and the Pacemakers (who?) came BEFORE The Beatles

SID'S BRILLIANT MOMENT

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.

THE ONLY BAND THAT MATTERS - R.I.P. Joe "wildman" Strummer

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.

I REST MY CASE

[topcat83]

Originally Posted by Fatbrit

You mean apart from the fact that Beatka is a girl's name? Even if you didn't know that, the "a" ending is a dead give away for sex, while the diminutive "k" screams it's a name.

I have to stick up for Zoom on this one - I didn't know it was a 'real' girls name - I thought it was an Expat pseudonym. The 'K' and 'A' didn't scream anything to me. And I'm a girl too. And with a dad who named me 'Terry' on my birth certificate I know what it's like to be misstaken for a boy! It got very confusing when I was working with a guy called Kim!

(sorry, Beatka, I've added you to my list of girls names now )

[segan]

I Wrote the embassy here in warsaw about my situation and this is the reply..please give me any meaningfull advice:




Dear Sir,



You should not have any problems if you provide the information regarding prior denial on your visa application when applying for a visa in the future and you present some official confirmation that there was a mistake in your old passport.

We hope you will find this information useful.





Sincerely,
Public Liaison Unit
Consular Section
U.S. Embassy, Warsaw


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This e-mail is unclassified based on the definitions provided in E.O. 12958

[segan]

Originally Posted by segan

2003 I applied for a student visa to the US and was refused anyway..The problem i am from south african and the passport i used to apply for the US visa had a problem because my date of birth was reduced an incorrect . i did not raftify it because of time constraits and used the passport like the error to apply for the US visa..and was refused visa.now presently i am now in europe and possese a polish passort with my correct date of birth..i now have family members and friends in the US i still love to go and visit them someday but not to stay because i already have a stable family in europe..i am confused and mad at myself for doing so a foolish thing in the past i should hav e ratify my data in my passport before applying..
Please someone out there tell my what my situation will be like if i have to apply for TOURIST US visa..
i need your contributions positive or negetive

I WROTE THE EMBASSY IN WARSAW:
This is thier reply:

Dear Sir,



You should not have any problems if you provide the information regarding prior denial on your visa application when applying for a visa in the future and you present some official confirmation that there was a mistake in your old passport.

We hope you will find this information useful.





Sincerely,
Public Liaison Unit
Consular Section
U.S. Embassy, Warsaw


CLASSIFICATION: UNCLASSIFIED
This e-mail is unclassified based on the definitions provided in E.O. 12958