Originally Posted by Daxk

Luis, there is only one way to find out.
Go there, go and live in Johannesburg, maybe you are lucky,maybe you are unlucky.

as to your theories, you are saying the same thing that people who cannot understand why almost a 1/3rd of the white population left, why every little pop survey about wether South africans would emigrate if they had the chance shows that the 60 odd % of middle class white south africans and about 28% of middle class Black south africans say that Crime makes them want to leave SA.
so tell me Luis, why do so many South Africans want to leave?

you are right,I do miss the Old apartheid regime, but my aim is improving.

I think the whole bunch from Verwoerd on should be dug up, their bones crushed and the dust scattered in pit latrines.

I think the whole living bunch except RF Botha and De Klerk should be put against a wall and shot.

as to your comment about that we were safer,yes we were, for a very good reason.
compare the the detection and conviction rates pre-1994 and post 94 you will see a huge difference.

Murderers and rapists were caught in greater numbers, they were put in prison and some of them were hung.
People feared the Police and the law system, now even the Police officers dont trust each other not to be corrupt.

There are two kinds of expat South Africans. those who go for two year work experience which may stretch to 7-10 years and then there are the middle aged with a couple of kids(30-40) who leave everything they have built to start new in another Country, to do it as a young
person who is unattached, does'nt have children or a home is a lot easier then someone who is settled in their career,their home and yet feels strongly enough to leave it all behind.

And the argument that they did it because of racism is stupid, because they go to Countries that have no impediment to race.
if they are leaving because they dont want to live next to a black Family why do they go to places where black families can live next door to them.
To places where black and white children are equal in Schools?
(My daughters school has Nigerian,Somalian and South african Black children in its classrooms)

Are the newspapers lieing about Crime?
if so, why are they ALL reporting crime.
why are they ALL saying Violent crime levels are too high?
What happens if they are under reporting crime?

again,its very easy, go to SA, go and join the local Community Blockwatch, even in "safe" Cape, then come and tell me after about 6 months wether its safe or not?

Your thought that expat Saffers are trying to justify their reasons for leaving.

If someone leaves with a qualification and some experience, goes overseas and gets even more experience, earns Foreign Currency that is more than he would have had he stayed in SA, at the end of the day, none of us have burnt our boats.
Anyone of us who has been overseas can go back and be more employable than we left.
we can go back with more money to buy a house cash,start a business than most of the time had we stayed in SA.
We're more employable than a foreigner who has to get a work permit, our SA salaries are cheaper, we understand the Languages and Culture better, we know the legal and tax environment better, we have networks from School and varsity and Work in place,

Any of the between 900,000 and 1,5 million expat South Africans could slip seamlessly into place in SA

What makes most of them so adamant theet they dont want to?
especially the ones with kids?